Where do these rules come from?

We don't know. Postulating magical fairies is not the answer, however, and it is perfectly possible to live our lives without knowing.

ETA: As an addendum, like I said, that was just a hunch. Maybe there are numerous physical laws and properties interacting on matter and energy in ways which are ludicrously complex; that doesn't seem to fit in with the big picture so far, however. So far we've been finding out that the Universe is simple by nature, and that complicated things emerge out of that simplicity.

Basically, in my opinion at least, some people can say, "We dont need to know," and some people can't.

Also, I happen to like magical faeries.

What's wrong with saying we don't know and then try to find out by means grounded on reality, rather than make stuff up to comfort ourselves?

And its also perfectly possible to live your life with just knowledge of religion and not knowing anything about astronomy. However, thankfully, there is a drive to know more and to use it to make living better for everybody else. Which is great, because all you have done is changed your religion from whatever, to the collective science religion of the internet. Much like many people did during the industrial revolution, and where the whole cyborg culture once grew out of, though that is pretty much now dead save in isolated pockets of romatic views of the industrial revolution era philosophy.


Some people have no problem getting their religion from the new stuff, other people prefer the original stuff though, which doesn't have a new moral code every 30 years.

For the link in that post, I must say, thank you. Rabbi Zalman Pinhas Horowitz has truly achieved the religious equivalent of bashing his way to Demigod. He did inane, boring, repetitive work in a thankless quest for self-improvement, and after counting 3,640 words and word roots, (Nerf Jews! How many fesixes does it take to get Demigod?) he has earned a place in history. The comic relief provided by that essay will last me a long, long time.

Unfortunately for you, I'm now going to devote part of spring break to trying to find a way to curse you at a distance with everyday objects.

Wow, that sounds very biblical of you.

Also, nobody is "making stuff up" anymore than the scientific method makes stuff up.

As one guy once said, "The miracle is not that the human eye works, the miracle is we were given the ability to find out how it works."

I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah, the nitrogen thing just means that guy had way too much time on his hands. I'll respect him for putting in the work, but it's entirely pointless, probably, even to the vast majority of Jews.

Yes, thankfully however, I know how to seperate the wheat from the chaff, and I don't have to worry about you being able to figure out how to curse me with everday objects.... or did I missunderstand your post?

I will fully admit that many of his sentences and his general tone, and much of his comparisons are not only logically faulty, but also not very convincing even from the methods he used, as he didn't go forwards. However, some of the things he found out were true gems. But that is why its written that way. So that those who know, know, and those who don't can safely be assumed to ignore it.

Cyborg culture out of the industrial revolution? What are you smoking, man? Can I have some? And science is not a religion. Personally, I fill up whatever holes the lack of a religion left in me with Discordianism - Basically, just being able to "honestly" use the Lady's name in vain.

You may find it pointless, but he doesn't find it pointless.

But that essay was written by Yitzhak Ginsburg not Rabbi Zalman Pinhas Horowitz.

Have you heard of the movie "Metropolis"?


Do you know anything about the origins of the cyborg culture?

Yes, no, and what the hell does that have to do with our conversation? The term "cyborg" was coined in 1960. The term "cyborg culture" on Google doesn't return anything particularly relevant, so you're going to explain that particular conspiracy theory.

I don't really have the time, but I'll throw you this link

http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/...ulture/cyborgy/

http://www.uiowa.edu/~commstud/resources/d...italcyborg.html


However, the point is that in each generation there are new things that change the way some people view the world, and the source point of what end up being rationalizations for certain preferred life choices/religions/philsophies etc. Many are reactionary, some are imposed. But in my opinion they are pretty easy to spot the origins of them if you remember that humans have pretty much been the same since we ever started writing things down. Point being, none of this stuff is new, neither the religious ideas, nor the detractors.

Here's one question that I think many intellectuals miss:

Why does any of this matter?

Surely there are more important things in life than wondering why c = 300,000 m/s or whatever it is? I think a lot of the alleged intellectuals need to get out more. Have a drink, loosen up, go to a party. Whatever takes your fancy. Ultimately, not all questions are answerable, and attempting to answer those questions is only going to leave you stressed out.

Secondly, there are some people who debate to reach agreement, and there are some who debate to state their opinions and attempt to show their intellectual calibre. The point is, there is absolutely NO point arguing with the latter because they are inevitably:

a) Too arrogant to accept anyone elses answer;
Too stubborn to admit defeat;
or
c) So woefully ignorant that they'll never accept anything but their own bigoted viewpoint.

(Part c was not targeted at anybody. However, it is wonderfully ironic how I state all this as I too generally fall into the latter category. Generally for reason b.)

: )

Ok, to explain.

Many people think that Cyborgs are a responce to the 80s, specially since there were a plethora of cyborg movies then.

Many people know that the term was coined in the 60, and so think its from then.

Then there are people who assume that cyborgs came from the 40's after WWII because of the atomic bomb, mainly because cyborgs got upgraded at that point.

Then you have the 20's because of the flims.

But if you keep going back you see them mostly entering the psychy during the 1800's when people started getting replaced by machines. Its an old concept, but many people think its a post modern concept. In each era of technological change, the view changed as well, and many of the things you are currently saying , remind me of quite a few of the "discoveries and claims" from the cyborg culture, but now the new thing is the internet.

A quote from one of those links..



The argument of self-defined vs pre-ordained is very much what you are basically arguing for one way or another. The basic statement is, "I'll choose whatever purpose I want, I will define not just my identiy but the reason for my existance", and so I chuckle when an athiest says they are grounded in reality while those with faith are making stuff up.

I had to do a tutorial on the cyborg once. Ick. But yeah many academics, when they speak of cyborgs what they mean is humans using technology to mediate/represent/substitute life experiences.

So basically, you're missing a limb. You lack the ability to stand up by yourself as a human being; instead, you need meaning and purpose handed down to you through a meshwork of fairytales... and you cannot understand how anybody could live otherwise. You're unable to create purpose for yourself, so you have to insist your purpose is built into reality by default... but there's no feature of reality that tells us of any purpose. Nobody handed down purpose to anyone. People just make stuff up, and that's the only way you can give meaning to your life. Either you create your own meaning, or you parrot whatever you were told as a child. Either you make purpose for yourself that is grounded in reality (Say, "Leave the world better than the way I got it", or "learn as much as I can about the nature of the Universe", or "Pass on my genes"), or you decide to fill the gaps with phantasms, and define yourself in terms of some fantasy about bearded men in the sky, hidden meaning in cryptic texts, and counting how many times a word shows up in the Bible, then proceeding to "Oooh" and"Aaah" at the result. If you need such a huge, elaborate, and bizarre mental crutch to make sense of your existence... well, when it's not something with a long tradition and history, but rather something this one guy just decided to believe in out of the blue, that thing you have is treated like a mental illness.

And I still don't see what the hell this has to do with cyborgs. You're just pulling stuff out of your arse now, in a failed attempt to sound smart.

No, it has everything to do with cyborgs. But its ok, not everybody knows about them. I just assumed that with the amount of anime fans here, people would know more about the philosophical implications of cyborgs and thier morality code.

As far as missing limbs go, your attempts at insults are humourus, and wholey ignorant. (pun intended)