Avalon has a system for pregnancy, and while it is very cool (your character does actually go into labor, and the result is an NPC), it was also the backdrop to some incredibly evil rp, bordering on griefing. Something about that NPC existing struck a chord in every sadistic person who played, rendering that NPC child irresistable for the purposes of causing trouble. From kidnappings with ransoms, to torture, to baby killings, I saw some incredibly disturbing stuff, and, more than that, some powerfully emotional responses to that stuff.

And that was in a game of adults, primarily over the age of 25.

This playerbase would never be able to handle this kind of concept. Say what you will, immaturity is a factor, and a big one. Matt clearly knows his clientele.

Right, well.. I was a little vague on what I said about killing children being immoral. As far as explanations go, Shayle did a good job of explaining my point above. But to clarify as to not piggyback on her point, there is ( although some of you might not believe it ).. A line between IC and OOC standards. You can be a sadistic murderous evil-doer *point Aiakon* and it won't reflect on your status OOCly because that is acceptable by IC standards. RP'ing someone, however, who rapes people and molests children ( as an example ) would cross that line, in my opinion. Whereas some people's standards are different and that may not be the best example in the world. Do keep in mind that being able to different things IC that you normally wouldn't do OOC isn't a ticket to do WHATEVER you please.

Interesting. You see, I would regard that as acceptable. Risque, yes... and foolish in that it would surely cross acceptable taboos ICly in every organisation and your character would swiftly become unplayable. But, it would not be on any level OOCly 'wrong' to do, except in so far as it might bring OOC upset to players - which is, of course, dependent on the playerbase.



Leaving aside the point about OOCly upsetting people through IC actions... may I ask why not?

Also considering the fact that in-game sexual harrasment (even in character) is agianst lusternian policies.

Didn't Glomdoring sacrifice the baby from Stewartsville to raise Crow?

And.. Rowena.. with the Shadow Faelings.

The elements are there and accepted by form of quest and event.

damn Glom baby-killers
*goes back to killing Merians*

It would be perfectly possible to confine the rape and molestation to NPC children.

Yes, I understand that.

I believe it would be fine to just stick to the character "finding" their parents after getting out of the portal or being adopted. Or, with the creative spark in some, to RP a kid being there. Children mobs that are player bound is a bad idea, as stated within this thread. I see no reason for them, as we already have a perfectly good system in place as of the time of this posting.

Yesss.. but (as also stated within this thread) it was never a particularly serious idea in the first place.

At least, while organizations hold such standards. Time passes, standards may change, or new organizations may spring up that do not feel bound by them. The fact that organizational RP at present makes such acts unviable is not permanent insurance against them.



The point -is- that of upsetting people OOCly. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that action A has a greater chance of upsetting someone else than action B so it's better to check with them first. While, say, action C causes the other character harm but is a fairly commonplace one in the game so we can assume that OOC permission is unnecessary. If someone undertakes the action that would be most likely to upset another player OOCly, without at any point trying to find out if that IC action is acceptable to them OOCly, no, it's not OK. It's poor form.

That was not explicitly stated by Tael. My post in response to Tael's should not be responded to without bearing in mind its context.



The way in which you have written your post seems to me to imply that you are presenting the above as an argument against my points. As it happens, I would agree with every single one of those assertions. I said 'leaving aside the point about OOCly upsetting people' because I wished to leave it aside, not because I disagreed with it as a concept - indeed, I have made the OOC upset point all along.

Edit misread. Ignore me.

My new stance: If you people bother to fully read everything, you'd realise you not really argueing the same points. You both right!

I wasn't disagreeing so much as stating my own position. You had implied that yours was similar, by stating mine I gave you the chance to agree or state yours more clearly, showing where it might be different.

Marcalo made me VERY glad I collared my wyvern.

Back on topic though, I think this is a good idea for children...but I don't want other bigger mobs screaming for help when I'm trying to level. Though Lucan might think of it as a free meal, I'd prefer on an OOC not to lose a buttload of experience.

Incidentally, the village feelings is why my Achaean is sitting at level 79.0, never to see experience again...well, mostly.

Rape is one of the lowest, most pitiful forms of attempt to gain power and control over another person. Rape is real; it happens every day, both to men and women alike, and it is an incredibly touchy subject to some. Some people get scarred for life because of rape, some people get so traumatized and shocked that they develop mental diseases; some people get pregnant, others get STDs. But, on the other hand some people get back on their feet and they're just fine. But bringing it up ICly just because you don't care about anyone else and it's your character's roleplay is a big no-no. A HUGE no-no. (in my opinion)

While you may not believe that there are actual people behind each character, there are, and whether you want to take that into consideration or not, there are some things you should simply not do in-game for your own sadistic pleasure. This is generally titled as politeness.

If two or more people pre-planned and agreed to roleplaying a rape scene, then by all means, go for it. But lunging at someone and saying, "I'm raping you and there's nothing you can do about it," is just wrong on every level. If someone really wants to do a rape-scene, they roleplay it in private, and keep any and all logs or excerpts to themselves, or none at all. The character can then later describe to whomever is concerned about the ordeal and continue on with the roleplay.

Mainly, I'm just asking that no one force someone into a room with a monolith, blocked entrances, and no way out, and start emoting rape at them without it being planned, first.

Regarding attempts to piss people off OOCly through IC actions -- why would you? Does it make you feel like a better person with a bigger package? That you're somehow more intelligent because you pissed someone off? Any mature person who plays this game will realise that it's just that, a game. Sure, you'll get upset when your character drops a level or when someone "rofl"s after you heartstop, but that's just life. You move on, or you can stop playing.

So is murder, dear. More so, in fact.


For most of the points in your post, you may answer them yourself by re-reading the thread once you're calm. I particularly refer to your last paragraph.

Not a lot of people who experience murder get to come back and re-live that nightmare.

No, murdered people don't have much opportunity to dwell on it, but you're missing my point.

In any case, it does not change the fact that your initial post is based on a series of angry snap-misconceptions. I reiterate my initial suggestion.

One of the things I value the most about Lusternia is the opportunity to explore darker motivations and situations that aren't viable in real life. Would I rape someone in real life, torture them? No, of course not. But in Lusternia? I haven't worked with rape, but I have mentioned it and discussed it, and I've truly enjoyed the two torture scenes I've been in.

Again - Lusternia /=/ RL.

My initial post was saying that I would not participate or support roleplay where randomly trapping people in a locked room with no escape and then making raping emotes at them is in consideration (without pre-planning it in mutual agreement of all parties involved). I fail to understand how that could be a misconception. It's called opinion, something which I am fully entitled to, just as you are. If you feel it was said in anger, you're very free to pick it apart and prove any points I made as wrong.

But, if you don't believe in that and want to force people into that sort of RP, don't be surprised if you get issued for it.