Yer special Forren, Ethelon has taking a liking to you for some reason, and remember I have offered many times to forge you another.

I also offered to reforge for Forren; and I have taken a liking to him!

I really doubt a lot of Celestians would be going on about angelfont being a waste of power if they hadn't thought they were going to get the unbalanced 0 power trueheal. Seems reminiscent of a child's tantrum to me, refusing to accept their gift because they wanted something better. A 2 second shield every 6 seconds alone is worth a 10p defense, and what are organizations stockpiling power for if not for the constructs.

Well, we're all entitled to our opinion.

Hmm yeah, while the construct does look neat, I don't think it'd make much of a difference for me, partially because I don't have sacraments I guess. Though the ego healing ability might be nice

I wonder if you can do the prayers while entangled/prone/paralysed. Anyone remember prone shielding from the other games?

You did?

I'll take eight please.

*ponders*

*goes back in time*

*remembers why he quit Celest*

I really can't express how I feel about this. I have read the entire thread and all I can say is just wow...not a good wow, more like wow I just caught my wife cheating, or wow, I just heard my parents died. Its just that bad.

@Marcalo: It's not been the best thread to read, no.

It's not too late to salvage something from it, though. Whether or not Angelfont gets modified yet again, we might as well brainstorm on construct ideas. The Black Crypt is a great construct partly because Lich is a good mechanical ability, but mostly because it lets all Magnagora become TAINTED UNDEAD MONSTROSITIES!

Which was quite enough for me to want to try life as a Magnagoran. If we can find something that comes so near the heart of what it means to be of New Celest, then it will be easier to get past the mechanics issues. And any ideas can be recycled into future constructs.



A perfect image.



Pardon the gaucherie of a self-quote, please.

On the mechanics side, assuming it continues to be hard to capture the rp essence of Celest...

Jello, I understand that a 2 second equilibrium shield is huge for a tae'dae. It's not huge for an equilibrium 0 race, let alone an equilibrium + race. And, as it is, the prayers seem like only minor advantages over invoke circle/evoke pentagram, puella, laetitia, and so forth... though without testing, it's very hard to be sure. Maybe they heal 50% of maximum health, which would certainly be a major advantage... and clearly too much of one.

Would the prayers be overpowered if they were on a separate balance, but only healed on the order of a sparkleberry (somewhere between that and twice as much)? And only to one of health, mana, or ego, obviously, making them between 1/3 and 2/3 as effective as a sparkleberry overall, if more concentrated in effect, and slightly faster. I would think that might be worthwhile without being too much.

Well, a 2 second eq shield for a tae'dae would probably actually be closer to a 3 second eq shield. There are lots of other uses for it though. Races with fast eq and/or using quickening would have a shield or healing ability that would take them around 1 second or maybe less if they had both. Being able to heal at such speeds would help influencing and bashing as well as PvP. I'm not sure there is any other ability that directly heals mana in the game (without using power), besides the scrolls which can be combined with it, so it would insert an entirely new tactic vs. mana kills or when using focus spirit and clotting. A normal shield is 4.5 seconds eq, so even if you don't have slow eq, it would create situations where you would quite often have eq back before someone even gets a chance to remove your shield, and you can attack or shield again right as they do it. It would require tweaking your zmud system some, but I think the construct sounds amazing in that it would change how Celestians do pretty much everything for the better even if there is no single thing comparable to lich or trueheal.

Zmg I can't believe people are still arguing
@ Celest
NOW YOUR MAGES CAN LAETITIA YOU IN PEACED INFLUENCE WTF IT PROBABLY DOESN"T UNSTACK THE WAY 3LAETIA CHANTERS DO! WOW THAT'S GOOD!
Also, your newbies can invoke green! Statue nerf FTW!
Oops, bards and mages and trackers don't have some of those skills.
It's a fine construct. I understand now wanting to build it but it certainly doesn't suck and it's just as good at the other constructs. Esp. the no power rezzes.
@Mag
Quit whining. You have the most awesome construct for RP purposes, your -level 40 people skipping out on praying = higher novice retention. Yay for more players!
Honestly, if you people would think how it benefits EVERYONE in all guilds, not the tri trans with the RP skills of that city, (Celest = Sacraments, Mag = Necro) people you'd see both these are solid constructs. Yeesh.

There's also a skill in blademaster (?) that will make you drop items even if you grip and are selfish. Considering how much weapons cost I find that quite ridiculous.. but then that's one of the reasons why I don't want to go knight.

Overly dramatic much?

In any case, the prayers only work for yourself. You may not pray for another person.

Magician tarot.

It appears to be a 2 second recovery time across the board regardless of any racial equilibrium considerations. That's what it looked like in testing anyway.

@Nerra: As Clise said, you can't use the prayers on other people and I can understand you wanting to...do whatever it is you want to do but you should probably at least have some facts as to how things work before getting so riled up about it.

No one is saying it's a bad construct. People are saying it's an expensive construct and it is. There is nothing about it that makes it a no brainer choice to build right away. No one is throwing a tantrum and refusing to build it because it doesn't have a lich copy or trueheal. Well, some people may be, I don't know but that's not the dominant reasoning.

As Vaerhon said, the crypt has amazing RP imagery behind it in addition to the mechanics. The Angel font grants an Angel aura but that doesn't seem to actually do anything particularly Angelic in the RP. But honestly, I don't think many people are up to trying to make it better or offer suggestions or what not. This has been a long process and a lot of people are just very tired, disappointed, and indeed disillusioned with the whole thing.

There's no boycott of the system. You don't see Celestian players having 10 page rant fests because they're not happy with something. No one had a nuclear meltdown claiming that Estarra and the Admin were in Mags pockets when the Crypt came out. We didn't like the Crypt? Well, we worked within the system and went and tore it down and have observed its actual effects in terms of game balance. Apparently that's not the way to go.

So yeah, we're probably not going to build this construct right now. It costs more than it's worth. That's pretty much the end. Let's just move on to Glomdoring's construct and stop worrying about what Celest will do with theirs.

Nooo, my babies. ;_;

If people didn't yelled "Overpowered" when the crypt came out but they did when the font came, you should take a hint as to why, Catarin.

Lich I think is perhaps good for Magnagora as they now have a way to escape death just like Serenwilde does now and Celest has right now.

Maybe a good update to Angelfont is that to those with the Angelic Aura your soul is transfered to the tabernacles of the Supernals so someone can Sacrifice for you.

Saying it's on a separate balance doesn't mean it doesn't require or consume equilibrium, it just means you can use it even if you've just sipped healing, read a healing scroll, and eaten sparkleberry. Of course, if it didn't need equilibrium either that'd be even more powerful; is it a very long eq loss?

Two seconds, as above. The "separate balance" is six seconds.