Angelfont

by Nico

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Unknown2007-03-25 02:35:14
QUOTE(Ixion @ Mar 24 2007, 10:32 PM) 393202
Nico2007-03-25 02:36:21
And actually, the suggestion was to limit the trueheal to once per IC day. Estarra opted for having to replace the aura.

Vix2007-03-25 02:36:31
So judging by the reactions to Visaeris's reply, I'm guessing the defense is that it requires 10 power during combat.
Ildaudid2007-03-25 02:37:09
So the biasness, is proven over and over again?
Ixion2007-03-25 02:37:28
QUOTE(talkans @ Mar 24 2007, 09:32 PM) 393203
For the people that had trueheal to begin with-actual Sacraments users-10p is a LOT in combat. Especially for Knights who so often lunge. And we all know how much power a Celestine has to use to keep up any type of offensive.


orly? That's the reason and balancing factor behind it being so incredibly strong. Horrible horrible argument.
Unknown2007-03-25 02:37:58
QUOTE(Vix @ Mar 24 2007, 07:36 PM) 393209
So judging by the reactions to Visaeris's reply, I'm guessing the defense is that it requires 10 power during combat.


It's a weak defense because 10 power is nothing.

Also, since Celest got to give feedback on, and help guide the selection of their construct, can Mag get rid of the crypt and pick our own?
Unknown2007-03-25 02:38:36
My impression is that trueheal got more of an improvement than lich did. Perhaps instead of making it cost 0 power for sacraments users, it gets the additional effects of raising their health and mana above the max (like ablution and lustration) and gives them numen aura and/or casts dazzle on all enemies in the room.
Ixion2007-03-25 02:39:09
QUOTE(talkans @ Mar 24 2007, 09:35 PM) 393207
Non Sacraments users have always been able to be benedicted.
The honour is a tiny thing.
Ressurection is a BLESSING. I hated it before
And, it's not easy as pie to jump from Nil to the nexus world and back again. What are you thinking?


Read my edit: IMO everything is okay, except the 0p trueheal, which is grossly absurd.

Yes, yes it is easy to get from nil to your nexus world and back again. I'm pretty confident I can get from anywhere in the basin back to my nexus world (without a cubix), in under 2 minutes tops.

Edit: The coolest part about the black crypt is RP reasons for me. It allows me to have a better status in the guild by being undead, I can hold influence over the undead which really hurts if you are Tainted, and archliches is about the coolest thing ever. RP for that in itself makes the crypt awesome.

AngelFont needs to do the same without being ridiculous.
Xavius2007-03-25 02:40:40
QUOTE(talkans @ Mar 24 2007, 09:35 PM) 393207
Non Sacraments users have always been able to be benedicted.
The honour is a tiny thing.
Ressurection is a BLESSING. I hated it before
And, it's not easy as pie to jump from Nil to the nexus world and back again. What are you thinking?


Honour is not a tiny thing. Honour is potentially level 3 health and mana regen for your whole group if you have three sacraments users with you.

Trueheal is the reason that I just don't fight sacraments users that I can't plow through. Trueheal is the antisaplock, since it takes me more than 10p to solidify the lock to the point of killing and more than a few seconds to get the kill off, usually enough that they can regenerate all the power they need. FREE trueheal is an issue, and I'm sure that you know this.
Nico2007-03-25 02:40:54
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Mar 24 2007, 10:35 PM) 393206
I use more power in a fight than you can even imagine, and I can get 10power np.



No, you really don't. You have a few power moves, tripleflash, octave, hyperactive (all 10p), attract 3p, death song (3p if it's anything like the cantors), and maybe another 3p song. Of all those, only tripleflash, attract and death song are really that oftenly used.

In fights, I'm constantly burning power with crushes. Constantly, meaning I'm rarely above 5p unless I'm saving for burst wounding. Trust me, I'm a power whore. I used to push past -300 energy in a weave during on a regular basis.

Unknown2007-03-25 02:41:05
Want to make it balanced?

Drop Trueheal

Give those with Aura the ability to receive Lustration and Ablution from other Sacrament users for twice the power

There... you get a cool construct... just.. no Trueheal, please
Unknown2007-03-25 02:42:02
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Mar 24 2007, 09:37 PM) 393210
So the biasness, is proven over and over again?


Pretty much, yeah. :)

Come to Glom.
Unknown2007-03-25 02:42:14
Oh, and as far as the 10p balancing TH argument, it's not uncommon to see multiple trueheals in a single battle from one person.

So now you let them do it for 0p once and then.. Meh.
Unknown2007-03-25 02:42:15
QUOTE(Ixion @ Mar 24 2007, 10:37 PM) 393211
orly? That's the reason and balancing factor behind it being so incredibly strong. Horrible horrible argument.


Where do you find time to play the game in between crying your eyes out about how "horribly overpowered" celest's skills are?
It's reallly tiring. And yes, having to have 10 power in your prompt before being able to use true heal is one argument, and it's a great argument. And honestly, there is no argument against it. The next time you have 10 power laying around when your fighting someone seriously, then you can say something (but you never will, so don't try).

And, if you like it so much-I and many other Celestians would GLADLY trade you for lich. In. A. Heartbeat.
Unknown2007-03-25 02:43:32
QUOTE(Nico @ Mar 24 2007, 07:40 PM) 393218
I used to push past -300 energy in a weave during on a regular basis.


That's all? I'll burn 100 power in half an hour. Thanks for playing.

I have a 3 power skill that's cured by an herb.

I win!

QUOTE(talkans @ Mar 24 2007, 07:42 PM) 393222
And, if you like it so much-I and many other Celestians would GLADLY trade you for lich. In. A. Heartbeat.



I want to take you up on that offer. For like a week we should have an event where sacraments and necromancy were switched.

Oh god the carnage..
Unknown2007-03-25 02:43:38
QUOTE(Nico @ Mar 24 2007, 08:40 PM) 393218
No, you really don't. You have a few power moves, tripleflash, octave, hyperactive (all 10p), attract 3p, death song (3p if it's anything like the cantors), and maybe another 3p song. Of all those, only tripleflash, attract and death song are really that oftenly used.

In fights, I'm constantly burning power with crushes. Constantly, meaning I'm rarely above 5p unless I'm saving for burst wounding. Trust me, I'm a power whore. I used to push past -300 energy in a weave during on a regular basis.

That's the point for Trueheal in Warriors doh.gif
Estarra2007-03-25 02:43:38
QUOTE(Jello @ Mar 24 2007, 06:38 PM) 393213
My impression is that trueheal got more of an improvement than lich did. Perhaps instead of making it cost 0 power for sacraments users, it gets the additional effects of raising their health and mana above the max (like ablution and lustration) and gives them numen aura and/or casts dazzle on all enemies in the room.


The ablution and lustration sounds like an interesting compromise.

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Lysandus2007-03-25 02:43:46
We haven't even tested this yet not to mention build it and people are quick to judge about the construct's ability.

using 10 power in the heat of the battle means you're desperate in either getting out alive (trueheal, lich, tripleflash) or performing a quick kill (hyperactive for tarot users, any other skills that require 10 skills that makes them strong for the moment?).
Estarra2007-03-25 02:45:44
Tone it down, guys.

If you want us to listen, at least try to be civil and present your arguments in an adult manner.
Zacc2007-03-25 02:47:01
Yay for trueheal. This should make it a bit easier to escape those pesky people who attack me while I'm harvesting. happy.gif