Murphy2007-04-29 15:43:55
QUOTE(Estarra @ Mar 26 2007, 07:38 AM) 393575
Consider that each prayer takes 2 seconds to invoke and you can pray once every 6 seconds (i.e., they're on their separate balance and are faster than the spells you mentioned). Consider the healing/curing abilities are in addition to whatever you do with herbs and potions. Consider that any Celest citizen can gain the aura at whatever level to gain these prayers.
Now to redeem myself.
I agree with geb where he said they are a nice set, but not overpowering in combat. Well done on coming up with a good solution to a pressing problem. one on one, you can spam that affliction curing thing while a celestine smacks you about in their initial burst offence. Against warriors, shield while prone, again a nice ability and they are on fastish equilibriums.
Catarin2007-04-29 16:03:08
QUOTE(Murphy @ Apr 29 2007, 09:43 AM) 402538
Now to redeem myself.
I agree with geb where he said they are a nice set, but not overpowering in combat. Well done on coming up with a good solution to a pressing problem. one on one, you can spam that affliction curing thing while a celestine smacks you about in their initial burst offence. Against warriors, shield while prone, again a nice ability and they are on fastish equilibriums.
I agree with geb where he said they are a nice set, but not overpowering in combat. Well done on coming up with a good solution to a pressing problem. one on one, you can spam that affliction curing thing while a celestine smacks you about in their initial burst offence. Against warriors, shield while prone, again a nice ability and they are on fastish equilibriums.
I understand why people might think the Angelfont is really nice. For bashing it's not bad. Saves me sipping a mana vial or having to use some cures against mobs. People seem to be missing that it is a two second equilibrium AND a 6 second prayer balance. There is no spamming of any prayer heh. You also cannot pray while hindered in various common ways. Webbed, tied up, paralyzed, etc.
It is an interesting construct and I'm glad we built it, even if it was for reasons other than it's utility. We have gotten a chance to test it out throughly and unfortunately many of the first assessments of it held true. It is simply not THAT useful. It does have some uses to be certain but to be honest, the other much cheaper constructs we can build are far more useful from a direct utility standpoint. It does not even have the benefit of any sort of neat RP aspect. It's just an aura. That we can't see...and doesn't manifest itself in any sort of angelic ways. It's just there.
Razenth2007-04-29 18:23:37
Against non warriors, being able to shield twice in six seconds is nice. And the allheale effect works wonders when say, you get mauled by a shark and you happen to run out of mending salve at that time. Or if say little people without full compliments of cure decide to bash something new. If they get smacked around and panic, they can at least cure their afflictions and get out of there.
Unknown2007-04-29 19:14:07
Maybe if the angelic aura created like a glowing halo over your head that was actually visible? I know it's a little cliched, but I can't think of anything else besides just angelic wings or a general glow. And how about adding something to your race prefix? And not just for Celest but for all the other org constructs as well, that'd be pretty fun.
Catarin2007-04-29 19:14:32
QUOTE(Razenth @ Apr 29 2007, 12:23 PM) 402558
Against non warriors, being able to shield twice in six seconds is nice. And the allheale effect works wonders when say, you get mauled by a shark and you happen to run out of mending salve at that time. Or if say little people without full compliments of cure decide to bash something new. If they get smacked around and panic, they can at least cure their afflictions and get out of there.
No one said it didn't have situational uses.
Shorlen2007-04-29 22:44:48
As I've said, when I suggested soul resurgem, I was being jokingly sarcastic, thinking it was obvious to anyone how absurdly overpowered it was. Apparently, Estarra didn't realize that. I'm sorry =(
Ildaudid2007-04-29 22:56:05
QUOTE(Anisu @ Apr 29 2007, 02:46 AM) 402474
erm I constructed it at the command of the council and I and many others still think the construct sucks, we simply placed it to draw attention away from our other constructs
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Apr 29 2007, 03:30 AM) 402478
This is what intelligence agencies call misinformation
QUOTE(Forren @ Apr 29 2007, 07:59 AM) 402502
Ildaudid, do you actually know what the construct does? Time for Forren to give a lesson on the use of the Angelfont.
1. Allows praying for health/ego/mana. 3/4 classes in Celest have skills that already do this.
2. Eliminates a power cost for resurrect, sacrifice, and benediction. Resurrect and benediction removing the power cost are nice, but it didn't change anything except power usage. Sacrifice cost is still blah because power is wasted on those who have vitae up (or the other way around.. it's early in the morning).
3. 5% damage reduction.. yay 5%?
What does your construct give? Lich, which enables all Magnagorans to lose no XP on death and be able to easily escape after dying. I don't see how you can possibly think ours is better.
I suggest you read more about the construct before making a post like that, Ildaudid.
1. Allows praying for health/ego/mana. 3/4 classes in Celest have skills that already do this.
2. Eliminates a power cost for resurrect, sacrifice, and benediction. Resurrect and benediction removing the power cost are nice, but it didn't change anything except power usage. Sacrifice cost is still blah because power is wasted on those who have vitae up (or the other way around.. it's early in the morning).
3. 5% damage reduction.. yay 5%?
What does your construct give? Lich, which enables all Magnagorans to lose no XP on death and be able to easily escape after dying. I don't see how you can possibly think ours is better.
I suggest you read more about the construct before making a post like that, Ildaudid.
Sorry this is so late in response, as I have been in a critical care unit for most the damn day... but please maybe you can read my post and what it was replying to before making a post like yours. And yes, I know exactly what AngelFont does. To say it sucks, well maybe for you, but how about all the little people in your city, I doubt they would scoff at even just 5% reduction.
Razenth2007-04-29 23:10:08
I think the little people in the more appreciate the prayer thingie that lets those who can't cure health, mana, ego, shield, and allheale for the low low price of 100 willpower. But the 3.5-5% reduction helps too!
Reiha2007-04-29 23:13:32
Too lazy to read the last 20 pages, but .... Angel Font sounds pretty nice. Not over the top, but DECENT.
1. I paid what, 900 credits with OOC money for my health/ego/mana regens. And you get this on TOP of your current regens?
2. Only one class, but that's a nice boost for them, at least. They will hopefully feel free to use it whenever for their citymates.
3. Not much, but for the smaller folk, it certainly doesn't help. If they make it any higher, it'd be too strong and the administration knows it.
Lich is very very very very very nice and it's an awesome construct, but in most situations, there's a good chance you will die again due to a number of situations.
Edit: Sorry to sound whiny and harsh, but I hate feeling like I'm wasting my thousands on a game with stuff like this is argued on forums.
1. I paid what, 900 credits with OOC money for my health/ego/mana regens. And you get this on TOP of your current regens?
2. Only one class, but that's a nice boost for them, at least. They will hopefully feel free to use it whenever for their citymates.
3. Not much, but for the smaller folk, it certainly doesn't help. If they make it any higher, it'd be too strong and the administration knows it.
Lich is very very very very very nice and it's an awesome construct, but in most situations, there's a good chance you will die again due to a number of situations.
Edit: Sorry to sound whiny and harsh, but I hate feeling like I'm wasting my thousands on a game with stuff like this is argued on forums.
Razenth2007-04-29 23:22:58
Angelfont affects our regen? o.O
Catarin2007-04-29 23:25:13
QUOTE(Razenth @ Apr 29 2007, 05:22 PM) 402610
Angelfont affects our regen? o.O
No
Razenth2007-04-29 23:27:00
That's what I thought.
@Reiha: What are you saying?
@Reiha: What are you saying?
Murphy2007-04-29 23:28:20
I have said before, i have never really rated lichdom as being that useful. As a geomancer i remember not really missing it all that much. With curing the way it is in lusternia, this added quick 2 second cure is definitley worth it if you're hurting, same as the quick shield if you're prone and need an extra second or 2 to get that next cure in. How many times have you managed to get out of a room of enemies, only to have to wait a few seconds to get those damn afflictions off you, go for the prayer and you're off. Your class is already more or less balanced.
I never said it was really nice, i said it was 'nice'. Same thing as the lichdom construct is 'nice'. The idea definitley seems to be to have the construct give decent abilities without it being too powerful, which i agree with.
It would be a terrible day indeed if you 'needed' a construct to not be gimped in combat.
I never said it was really nice, i said it was 'nice'. Same thing as the lichdom construct is 'nice'. The idea definitley seems to be to have the construct give decent abilities without it being too powerful, which i agree with.
It would be a terrible day indeed if you 'needed' a construct to not be gimped in combat.
Reiha2007-04-29 23:35:06
QUOTE(Razenth @ Apr 29 2007, 02:27 PM) 402613
That's what I thought.
@Reiha: What are you saying?
@Reiha: What are you saying?
I meant like, for something similar (although there's no balance), I had to pay credits. It's nice, it's something you didn't have before and it helps a little.
Catarin2007-04-29 23:35:09
QUOTE(Murphy @ Apr 29 2007, 05:28 PM) 402615
I have said before, i have never really rated lichdom as being that useful. As a geomancer i remember not really missing it all that much. With curing the way it is in lusternia, this added quick 2 second cure is definitley worth it if you're hurting, same as the quick shield if you're prone and need an extra second or 2 to get that next cure in. How many times have you managed to get out of a room of enemies, only to have to wait a few seconds to get those damn afflictions off you, go for the prayer and you're off. Your class is already more or less balanced.
I never said it was really nice, i said it was 'nice'. Same thing as the lichdom construct is 'nice'. The idea definitley seems to be to have the construct give decent abilities without it being too powerful, which i agree with.
It would be a terrible day indeed if you 'needed' a construct to not be gimped in combat.
I never said it was really nice, i said it was 'nice'. Same thing as the lichdom construct is 'nice'. The idea definitley seems to be to have the construct give decent abilities without it being too powerful, which i agree with.
It would be a terrible day indeed if you 'needed' a construct to not be gimped in combat.
It is "nice". But it's priced as "really nice". Which is why people feel it's not really worth the costs. It's like paying for a cubix but you only get a prism. Yeah the prism is nice and has uses but would you pay the price of a cubix for it? Not really.
Catarin2007-04-29 23:40:41
QUOTE(Reiha @ Apr 29 2007, 05:35 PM) 402619
I meant like, for something similar (although there's no balance), I had to pay credits. It's nice, it's something you didn't have before and it helps a little.
It's not remotely similar to a regen actually. As said prayer mimics other abilities already possessed by a good deal of the city. So it isn't something we didn't have before. It's just a slightly different version of things we already had. If it was regen, it would obviously be far far superior than its current form.
Razenth2007-04-29 23:42:05
No kidding... argument holds no water.
Ildaudid2007-04-29 23:55:31
QUOTE(Catarin @ Apr 29 2007, 07:35 PM) 402620
It is "nice". But it's priced as "really nice". Which is why people feel it's not really worth the costs. It's like paying for a cubix but you only get a prism. Yeah the prism is nice and has uses but would you pay the price of a cubix for it? Not really.
QUOTE(Catarin @ Apr 29 2007, 07:40 PM) 402622
It's not remotely similar to a regen actually. As said prayer mimics other abilities already possessed by a good deal of the city. So it isn't something we didn't have before. It's just a slightly different version of things we already had. If it was regen, it would obviously be far far superior than its current form.
I think you are thinking on a personal level though, for Catarin it may not be really nice, but for a circle 40 pally/celestine/aqua it may be really nice. The difference is looking at the font through the eyes of a novice - midlevel player. It holds a lot more use for them, over the "high" tiered players. Of course a titan/demigod may see no use in it, and maybe they shouldn't because they should by now be at a really nice plateau. A circle 75+ may also not see it as useful, but they may still find some aspects useful. Now the lower end of the spectrum, well that is where 5% means alot more. And rightly so. this game should be geared to helping the lower end of the spectrum that way you end up with more players, not just alts of every circle 80+ player.
Razenth2007-04-30 00:00:24
Attempting to pray costs 100 willpower if you're on balance, whether it works or not. I don't know how big of an effect this has on a lowbie. Please enlighten me.
Catarin2007-04-30 00:09:32
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Apr 29 2007, 05:55 PM) 402625
I think you are thinking on a personal level though, for Catarin it may not be really nice, but for a circle 40 pally/celestine/aqua it may be really nice. The difference is looking at the font through the eyes of a novice - midlevel player. It holds a lot more use for them, over the "high" tiered players. Of course a titan/demigod may see no use in it, and maybe they shouldn't because they should by now be at a really nice plateau. A circle 75+ may also not see it as useful, but they may still find some aspects useful. Now the lower end of the spectrum, well that is where 5% means alot more. And rightly so. this game should be geared to helping the lower end of the spectrum that way you end up with more players, not just alts of every circle 80+ player.
It doesn't hold any more use for them as it does for anyone else. These skills it mimics are not high level skills that they wouldn't normally have access to. I haven't heard any lower level people even mentioning that they *notice* the damage reduction.
People keep saying this is great for novices and lower level people. I'm not seeing it and I'm not hearing it. I suppose it could be true but thus far there is no evidence of that whatsoever. I'd say it's about as useful for them as it is a higher level player, maybe slightly more but not to the extent you seem to be saying.