Who do you think has more inside knowledge, the only person in celest that can raise a construct or (you).


Edit: Removed a minor personal attack on Ildaudid. -Ayridion (30.04.07)

So now you want to make it into a personal attack eh? Lucky for you I won't attack you personally.

Just because you are the Minister of Power does not mean that you built the construct to divert Magnagora from attacking your other constructs. Granted you may say you did this over and over in your head, and try to convince people from attacking it. It does not always make it true. But if you want, I will indulge your fantasy for you. Yes Anisu, you made the construct solely to use it for diversionary purposes. You are very crafty, yes you are. There, hope that helped convince you.

This thread seriously makes me sad, and the really only thing I can say is that gripeing over it is kinda silly. Face it, there is going to be a strong fact that 100% of the game will never be completely balanced with one another.

Over the fact with XP loss..

Yes, Seren has the Moon Altar. It's nice, I admit it. It allows us to resurrect all of our members. We still lose quite a bit of XP with the death however (corpse or not) , so it's not like it's a free ticket to raid whenever we please ( though we do sometimes ).

I was also asked to do this, but I agree as well. Even Glom deserves a chance at resurrection. Fix the Eggs, plz. So long as they can't be placed in enemy territory or anything.

@Celest: I don't think that them having the Crypt or not has deterred you from defeating Mag in skirmishes. Especially not with some of the deathsights I witness sometimes. So they're not going to lose XP, big deal? There are better things in the world than to grief someone to make them lose XP. The Angelfont may not be great, it may not supergoodtastic like the Crypt or Altar. But seriously, you still have some of the best skills in the game. (I.E. Trueheal, Inquisition, Psionics, Sacrifice, Resurrection, and arguably the best bards in the game). You might be getting the short end of the stick this time, but most of the stuff I've heard on this thread is childish.. so please

On another note, consider yourself lucky that you HAVE a functioning construct. The Darknest is absurdedly bad.. and most Gloms have zero way of resurrecting themselves.

Log in, I need you for some tests!

I do not wish people to stop attacking it, in fact I expect people to not take information from this forum into the game, but I know you have a bit of a problem staying ic in game as i learned from your tells that constantly switch from ic to ooc.

and if you think the word idiot is a personal attack then I will love to see how you will respond to something that is actually intended as a personal attack.

How can you possibly think it's NOT a personal attack? O_o

STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS!

City head can raise it too... I think.


And I don't think Seren's construct is the best.... -all- it does is give a soul-resurgem. Most people conglut and even if you don't the praying loss has been nerfed anyway.

To me it seems that: anything that reduces exp loss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely everything else by default.

EDIT: I agree though that Glomdoring lost out with their construct. If what I heard is true it's not only useless but overly so. Who goes around and buries an egg each time they enter a new area? Imagine if you want to lead pilgrims or scholars And if you keep it in your inv what difference is it to vitae? Except that the construct costs a montly gold upkeep cost and vitae vials don't.. or am I missing an effect of the construct?

EDIT2: What if the egg worked like lich in that you don't lose any exp at all? (Since people all want constructs that nerf exp loss, as proven by saying Seren's is the best). And Celest to have one where you still have to sac but it's not going to cost you exp either?

Okay, we're starting to lose focus again.

1. Angelfont does not absolutely suck. It has several very nice abilities, which are especially handy for younger members. That said, I like the idea of adding angel wings to it as well, which would add a nice bit of RP flavor, as well as adding the flight ability to make it actually worth the cost. The construct is very nice, but I have to agree that the cost seems pretty steep.

2. Lich is not the most amazing thing ever, as we've argued over and over and over again. People with lich still die, and still lose experience all the time. A well prepared group (or even a well-prepared individual) can easily double-kill someone who liches. While it's not the get-out-of-death-free card that people make it out to be, it is very nice, and is well worth the cost of the construct for the skill and the related RP aspects, if Mag could just keep it standing. The only real benefit of archlich is the removed daytime penalties, coldaura is not much of a help. Still, removing the daytime penalties makes it nice for them as well.

3. The Altar has absolutely no utility, and does not really grant anything OP. It does help them to avoid xp loss, which is very nice, but that doesn't really do anything to make the Serenwilde more powerful. The vast majority of fights occur off-prime, where the vast majority of raiders will conglutinate. It is a handy construct for younger Serens, and for people who die on prime a lot, but I would not say it's OP. For that matter, it doesn't really seem to offer druids with transmigrate much of anything.

4. The nest does need some more work. There have been a few ideas posted, but it's hard to come up with something good for Glom.

Now, back to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that the admin have been requesting. The whining and complaining from every side is getting old very quickly. Suck it up and move on to something helpful.

Few things: we don't lose exp with the egg, I assume. But...the only place someone above level 50 and with conglutinate could use it would be raiding...where getting rezzed in the local area (so, the village) isn't only useless, it is redundant since you prolly would just die again.

And Aesyra, to everyone above level 80 to 85, praying wasn't nerfed. I lost 3% from vitaeing and dieing again in Seren, and that's without praying. You underestimate a ranged soulrezz, it seems!

Well if you lost 3% without praying already, then the soulrezz couldn't have saved you from that anyway. I'm still of the opinion that a construct whose -entire- purpose is a rezz ability isn't that grand. It's probably worth the cost since so many people are exp crazy* but I don't believe that it makes it the best construct ever or OP as so many people here like to claim. If it gave drawdown to the entire commune, now THAT would be OP.

I just don't think you should base the strength of a construct on whether or not the users get an exp loss reduction.

*I admit I was too at a time.. but by now all I can say it's sad and pointless. There's nothing you can even do with demigod essence.

Actually, yes, it was discussed that the Font would be built to be a buffer for our other constructs. We only built it after we had destroyed all of Mag's constructs, so we used the power gained from that to raise the Font.

Ok, back to your "Grass is Greener" arguments.

You can also go to astral more easily and rezz trackers who couldn't get rezzed before!
And yeah, I'd have lost additional 8% from praying. While 3% is half of a trip to astral, 11% is a bit harder to bash up again!

The astral bit is awesome, I admit that. And as I said before exp crazy people like trackers and bards are probably happy too.

But people didn't say the construct was OP because of our way to get to astral without needing a city, they think it's OP because our members lose less exp when they die (provided they are a Moonchilde and there's people around to rezz and heartstop etc etc).

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is just that too many people put too much stress on 'omg I lost some exp'. Exp is means to an end. Don't make it into a god.

Killing each other is a common tactic, as I saw it. And it's OP because it's a ranged rezz, which is really sweet and unpreventable. And yeah, I assume if you raid a village with a bigger force, you usually have a bunch of people sitting back and forming a resurgem!

Yes, I am bashing to get Titan, to which Exp is the means. And losing those means is hurty.

Probably. It gives them a nice excuse for not coming along to raid. If you look at it, currently Serenwilde is the most peaceful org (or the one with the least big fighters.. depends on how you see it *cough*).

And again, I don't think that anything that reduces exp loss is automatically OP.

EDIT: And Ashteru, if you don't want to die and lose exp just don't raid until you get what you want. That worked for me too. Focus on one goal, then move on to the next.

EDIT2: Or should have stayed druid with transmigrate.

Compare it with the other constructs, then. Lich is awesome, at least for bashing. Raiding, an eyesigil makes the happy, exploss less Lich a dead, praying non-Lich.
Celest gets a few free buffs, and a few active skills to use, one of them curing an affliction which can be pretty sweet for both bashing and PvP.
Glomdoring gives a regional rezz, for no exploss. The only thing that can kill anyone who is bashing and knows a little is astral. On astral, if you get rezzed on the same sphere, it's pretty useless, and for raiding, getting rezzed into the same local area is like with the Lich and the eyesigil.
You get ranged soulrezz and rezz for everyone (really sweet), fast way to astral (nice), and ...hmmm. Do you get a third thing? can't remember.

Psh, if I only bash, I might end up like you.
PvP and PvE is the right mix, babeh!


But anyway, if you don't like the formulation OP (Which I'll go on using behind your back ), we call it the best of the four constructs, mmkay?

(1) Also reduces the day penalities for archliches (nice) and gives cold aura (decent I think?)

(2) Very very nice for low might people and newbies / lowbies. The big fighters with several trans skills and some arties probably won't benefit much at all. I agree that maybe something could be added to give them something useful too.

(3) Nasty. 'nuff said.

(4) Free way to astral (luv it. Don't have to bother anymore to stay unenemied to at least one city, and you're more 'independant' from them now.) and soul rezz (nice if you're worried about exp loss. If you raid off prime - and 90% of the raids happen there - and have trans planar then it's not going to help you much. I'll tell you a secret: Most people soul rezzed that way are lowbies that die to mobs in prime, or the 'occasional' raiders. With 'occasional' I mean those people that usually don't raid, those that do usually invest into trans planar quickly.)

What I love most actually is the Moonchilde bit (for RP) and the Moon Abode (RP again. And just because it's beautifully written. Kudos to the builder).

If I got to choose a construct I'd take Magnagora's for the free stat buffs. (Actually, are they weightened or not?)