Ashteru2007-03-25 03:02:12
Meh, just chill. Pretty sure that construct will be balanced.
Now, I hope Gloms construct sparks a similar discussion...*snicker*
Now, I hope Gloms construct sparks a similar discussion...*snicker*
Ildaudid2007-03-25 03:04:37
QUOTE(Xavius @ Mar 24 2007, 10:58 PM) 393253
I think that, once you remove the trueheal clauses, you end up with the least powerful org construct, and that's not what we want either.
I agree, they don't need to be the weakest construct, but if they remain with that I am pretty sure we can orginize a destroy Celest construct crew containing tons of members of all orgs, even if it doesn't look IC, I am sure people will join it just to make sure that construct never stays up, and well a weak construct is better than no construct (which I think will end up being the case if that many people don't agree with it, the only way we can stop it is to make sure it stays destroyed)
Xavius2007-03-25 03:04:58
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Mar 24 2007, 10:02 PM) 393258
Meh, just chill. Pretty sure that construct will be balanced.
Now, I hope Gloms construct sparks a similar discussion...*snicker*
Now, I hope Gloms construct sparks a similar discussion...*snicker*
Passive aeon + afflictions for Crow, passive afflictions for Glom, xp-free deaths for all!
Yes. DarkRebirth buffing construct, please!
Ildaudid2007-03-25 03:06:00
QUOTE(Xavius @ Mar 24 2007, 11:04 PM) 393260
Passive aeon + afflictions for Crow, passive afflictions for Glom, xp-free deaths for all!
Yes. DarkRebirth buffing construct, please!
Yes. DarkRebirth buffing construct, please!
Thought you all wanted that Glory be to Glomdoring construct
Ashteru2007-03-25 03:06:18
Pish, Nightkiss for everyone and double the Nightkiss boni for users who have it!
Unknown2007-03-25 03:07:25
I post this again... give the ability to get Lustration and Ablution by double the power cost to those who pocess the Aura and for sacrament users reduce the cost of it by half.. so 8 power to give ablution and lustration to an Aquamancer but 2 power to give it to you... probably extend too to 135% of their health to those that perform Trueheal
Razenth2007-03-25 03:07:33
What if they made the trueheal effect for Sacraments users be 5p instead of 0p?
Zacc2007-03-25 03:07:43
QUOTE(Corinthian @ Mar 24 2007, 10:48 PM) 393233
FORGET DRUIDRY
problem solved
problem solved
FYI: The people recently hunting me have been 1 Moondancer and a few Magnagorans. Where is the connection between those and Druidry? Confuse me...
Back on topic.
How about give the 10p Trueheal to those not able to use it (sacrificing the aura, of course), but remove the 0p Trueheal and replace with.. 0p Numen?
I'd like to see a construct that can give a form of Grace and can only be removed by retouching the construct to prevent abuse (ie- get Grace, safely run through a hostile demesne to the battle, reject, fight.. etc etc).
Xavius2007-03-25 03:07:59
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Mar 24 2007, 10:06 PM) 393262
Pish, Nightkiss for everyone and double the Nightkiss boni for users who have it!
I have no use for Nightkiss.
You want more passive afflictions and the get-out-of-death free card, trust me.
Unknown2007-03-25 03:08:56
A 0 power Numen? I might be switching to a Sacraments class just for that
Ildaudid2007-03-25 03:09:34
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Mar 24 2007, 11:06 PM) 393262
Pish, Nightkiss for everyone and double the Nightkiss boni for users who have it!
That would be cool!
QUOTE(Razenth @ Mar 24 2007, 11:07 PM) 393265
What if they made the trueheal effect for Sacraments users be 5p instead of 0p?
Still TH for everyone and for so little? way too much TH is insane, and it really should only be in the Healing skillset. Not in sacraments, I mean TrueHEAL , ummm HEALING, why don't they get a nice skill, throw the healers a bone
Ashteru2007-03-25 03:09:37
Pish, if I get the 40% Damage reduction, I'll never even die!
Shorlen2007-03-25 03:10:56
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Mar 24 2007, 10:09 PM) 393271
Still TH for everyone and for so little? way too much TH is insane, and it really should only be in the Healing skillset. Not in sacraments, I mean TrueHEAL , ummm HEALING, why don't they get a nice skill, throw the healers a bone
The healers ARE being thrown a bone - one picked from the White Hart's carcass
Unknown2007-03-25 03:11:32
QUOTE(Zacc @ Mar 24 2007, 09:07 PM) 393266
FYI: The people recently hunting me have been 1 Moondancer and a few Magnagorans. Where is the connection between those and Druidry? Confuse me...
Back on topic.
How about give the 10p Trueheal to those not able to use it (sacrificing the aura, of course), but remove the 0p Trueheal and replace with.. 0p Numen?
I'd like to see a construct that can give a form of Grace and can only be removed by retouching the construct to prevent abuse (ie- get Grace, safely run through a hostile demesne to the battle, reject, fight.. etc etc).
Back on topic.
How about give the 10p Trueheal to those not able to use it (sacrificing the aura, of course), but remove the 0p Trueheal and replace with.. 0p Numen?
I'd like to see a construct that can give a form of Grace and can only be removed by retouching the construct to prevent abuse (ie- get Grace, safely run through a hostile demesne to the battle, reject, fight.. etc etc).
That's not helping at all... Trueheal is too powerful if you give them to everyone in Celest
Ixion2007-03-25 03:11:37
QUOTE(Zacc @ Mar 24 2007, 10:07 PM) 393266
FYI: The people recently hunting me have been 1 Moondancer and a few Magnagorans. Where is the connection between those and Druidry? Confuse me...
Back on topic.
How about give the 10p Trueheal to those not able to use it (sacrificing the aura, of course), but remove the 0p Trueheal and replace with.. 0p Numen?
I'd like to see a construct that can give a form of Grace and can only be removed by retouching the construct to prevent abuse (ie- get Grace, safely run through a hostile demesne to the battle, reject, fight.. etc etc).
Back on topic.
How about give the 10p Trueheal to those not able to use it (sacrificing the aura, of course), but remove the 0p Trueheal and replace with.. 0p Numen?
I'd like to see a construct that can give a form of Grace and can only be removed by retouching the construct to prevent abuse (ie- get Grace, safely run through a hostile demesne to the battle, reject, fight.. etc etc).
I bet you would, whore out grace more just like on celestia. Use grace to get to raziela then let everyone and their brother come to you.
Numen for 0p is a bad bad idea too.
Razenth2007-03-25 03:12:06
Well if they took out the trueheal effect for both non-Sacraments users and Sacraments users, then what would it be replaced by? The other abilities are not what I would say powerful or even useful.
Zacc2007-03-25 03:12:07
QUOTE(Archer2 @ Mar 24 2007, 10:51 PM) 393241
Zacc. Please, have something that adds to the thread.
The initial post was rather positive, in support of the construct. Support= not adding?
The 0p Numen would, of course, cost 10p to gain the aura that grants it. So that's two and a half Numens.. the rest free..
Unknown2007-03-25 03:15:10
QUOTE(Zacc @ Mar 24 2007, 09:12 PM) 393279
The initial post was rather positive, in support of the construct. Support= not adding?
The 0p Numen would, of course, cost 10p to gain the aura that grants it. So that's two and a half Numens.. the rest free..
The 0p Numen would, of course, cost 10p to gain the aura that grants it. So that's two and a half Numens.. the rest free..
Numen cuts down damage by half... for 20 seconds.... that's permanent protection as long as you can have 5 power... that's too overpowered as you can pretty much make triggers so you always have a 50% damage reduction
Unknown2007-03-25 03:17:15
QUOTE(Razenth @ Mar 24 2007, 09:12 PM) 393278
Well if they took out the trueheal effect for both non-Sacraments users and Sacraments users, then what would it be replaced by? The other abilities are not what I would say powerful or even useful.
How about this?QUOTE(Corinthian @ Mar 24 2007, 09:07 PM) 393263
I post this again... give the ability to get Lustration and Ablution by double the power cost to those who pocess the Aura and for sacrament users reduce the cost of it by half.. so 8 power to give ablution and lustration to an Aquamancer but 2 power to give it to you... probably extend too to 135% of their health to those that perform Trueheal
this gives everyone in Celest 120% more health
Karnagan2007-03-25 03:18:11
When I heard about this for the first time, I admit I freaked the f out. But after reading this skillset again, I have to wonder if it isn't ONE free Trueheal. After it is used, the angel aura is destroyed. So unless they re-establish the aura, taking ten power along the way, they can't trueheal for free again.
So basically... Sacraments users get to have 10 power after their trueheal (which is very strong, but arguably not terrible), but lose the aura in the process. Therefore, they can't do it again until they put it back up. Facing an enemy at absolutely full strength is going to suck, but it's not that much worse than, let's say, facing them with full everything except power. Meanwhile, non-Sacraments users instantly lose their power, but have one free escape. Of course, this comes at the cost of having to run away to get the aura back- otherwise, no more trueheals. The rest is, of course, as acceptable as giving Lich to all Magnagorans.
I hope I've read this correctly. The alternative is too painful to think about.
EDIT: 0 power to put up 50% damage reduction? That means Numen will always be present. Thank you for pointing out the construct could, indeed, be worse.
So basically... Sacraments users get to have 10 power after their trueheal (which is very strong, but arguably not terrible), but lose the aura in the process. Therefore, they can't do it again until they put it back up. Facing an enemy at absolutely full strength is going to suck, but it's not that much worse than, let's say, facing them with full everything except power. Meanwhile, non-Sacraments users instantly lose their power, but have one free escape. Of course, this comes at the cost of having to run away to get the aura back- otherwise, no more trueheals. The rest is, of course, as acceptable as giving Lich to all Magnagorans.
I hope I've read this correctly. The alternative is too painful to think about.
EDIT: 0 power to put up 50% damage reduction? That means Numen will always be present. Thank you for pointing out the construct could, indeed, be worse.