I understand sticking sap as "keeping them in sap".

I always have too. It would make a difference if telepathy was not effected by sap, though. That would make things interesting, since the mage still couldn't cure very well, but their offense would be left unhindered by sap...It makes OOC sense for telepathy to be unaffected by sap, but might be unbalancing IC. Anyone know whether if affects telepathy?

Yes, telepathy doesn't bypass enough hinderances as-is. Let's make it bypass sap too!

Even if telepathy bypassed every hinderance, it would not be as powerful as hexes. It makes up for its utility by being so slow. Without demesne, telepathy isn't that great - and if you're getting sapped, you are without demesne.

I think I'm just going to give this statement the

Uhhhhh...

it deserves.

Lol.

I should clarify that I was referring to hexes as used by wiccans. I've used both, and I don't see how we could argue telepathy is more powerful. Compare the two. Telepathy can give two afflictions every 5-6 seconds or so, with no power cost. Inside of the demesne, the mage also has passive offense which supplements this and makes it very nice, but outside of the demesne this (along with mindblast/vampiris) makes you your entire offense. Hexes can give two afflictions every 3.5-4 seconds, with a power cost. In addition, wiccans have aeon (waning/choke) to stack their afflictions, and a passive offense which follows them everywhere, making the afflictions stick.

Fight a wiccan, then fight a telepath out of their demesne, and see which is more dangerous. At first glance, allowing telepathy to go through sap doesn't seem all that imbalancing - the druid should still be able to stack same the stun/afflictions/etc they always do which will keep the telepath from accomplishing much, but the telepath would still have a chance offensively if the druid is weakened enough.

EDIT: Yes, I did leave mindblast out of the equation. Mindblast can do a fair bit of damage, but not enough to compare to the full passive offense of wiccans.

Mitbulls old chap.. I need to spar you, but judging my your comments.. you simply don't use telepathy as well as you could - yet. The best telepaths are unlikely to divulge their clever secrets on the forums.. but you should have a chat with them and see how you can improve.

Telepathy hurts me one hell of a lot more than hexes. One hell of a lot more.

I suppose that could very well be true. I learned to use hexes pretty well, and I'm still settling in with telepathy, but the prospects don't look as good. The best telepaths are good, but so are the best hexen. Put Xanon/Revan/whoever else up against MD Narsrim/Tuek, and they are not likely to do so well.

i have more trouble against telepaths than hexes too or even wiccans in general.

The only telepath you fight is Forren, though. Do you really think you would have more trouble with a normal telepath (Munsia?) than Shamarah?

I find Munsia scarier than Forren. Oddly, she kills me faster. Never did quite work out why.. but she does.

She's never stayed and fought me. I assume it's because she's always got other stuff on her mind (I usually only run into her during revolts/raids/etc), so I guess I'm not sure if she is any good or not. I do know that I have a LOT of trouble with shadowdancers, and some trouble with MDs.

Heh. SDs own me. I've beaten Sham once I think.. and that was because he made a mistake. Every single other of our many many spars has seen me humiliatingly defeated.

i would have more trouble with Munsia. Hexen are really really easy to deal with as Narsrim has told and shown me. it's called shield.

I usually just run whenever I see Forren hit me with telepathy, lest he shatter me in one debate attack. :/

Munsia is a lot scarier than him. Though, she was whoring stupidity and paralysis in an Aquamancer demesne, combined with Illusory Wounds. That probably contributed a lot to it.

Amusing perhaps, but true nonetheless. I've sparred both Forren and Munsia a great deal recently. The above statement was not made on the basis of a single anomalous spar, but several with both of them.

All I gotta say is... wow.

Munsia's an easy kill =/ Forren's far more of a threat. There must be something you're doing wrong *shrug*

Well. Ciaran's system doesn't handle omniphobia curing well. So that is something I'm doing wrong.

But aside from that... newp. Forren doesn't cure wounds well. Munsia does. Forren has to bubble me to catch up, Munsia doesn't. Munsia is just straight out more efficient at killing me.

Now, to some extent, that's level related, I suppose. Forren can't rely on raw damage against me when I have a max health of around 9k, and an ego of 6k. So the usual factors that make Forren so deadly don't apply.