That's a log of me and Kiaris. My only mana drain is with metawake- you really don't need anything else that has a constant drain versus Spiritsingers, but I realize other things can come into the equation. (IE, this can be very hindering versus ego AND mana users like telepaths, ecologists, etc.)

She's constantly minorsixthing me, which seems to scale based on max mana/ego (I've got some data on this if wanted).

At the start, I made a little mixup with my autosipper, but I switched it to focus on mana. This is NOT with any Wildarrane songs, and I realize that constantly setting up insomnia will contribute a fair bit to this. This log is just to show how difficult it is to simply 'drain their mana to stop metawake'.

This's mainly just for data and to help support some changes I've been trying to make, but it's also because I can't figure out how to post a log neatly on the Envoy Wiki.

Has anyone seriously suggested that you drain someone's mana to 0 in order to stop metawake? That person needs to be smacked around a bit if so.

Whenever I suggest something about metawake- like your LunarAwakening deal, the general response is:

Metawake has a big mana and willpower drain, so no.



(Though, in that exact situation, it was because it'd make mana-based instakills very easy, which I may agree with)

Actually, my response has been: "Metawake is an extremely important defense, so being able to actually strip it or nerfing metawake in general is a bad idea."

I actually liked the 0.5s delay on waking up with metawake when under the influence of that Hart song. I'm less sure about the proposed "afflictions / damage when waking using metawake."

My suggested LunarAwakening skill didn't have anything to do with metawake...

The one I saw did "If they are awoken by the metawake ability, they will take double damage (but still only one affliction)".

Ooh, yeah, I forgot about that part. In retrospect that actually might be a little too potent.

Alianna, if people are resisting the skill because of that part, just take it out. It's still a solid skill without it.

Okay, after actually fighting Alianna, the suggestion for an effect upon waking is probably way too powerful. I was falling asleep every 4 seconds from tiredness and that's not even including the fetish hits and song hits.

Well, I wouldn't think so, as there's no other way for a Spiritsinger who's not Trans or near Trans to cause damage. Just make it so that it has to hit you while you're asleep to work?