Tervic2007-04-19 18:44:56
In light of the effect this has on Druid Fury....
Make it a bashing utility.
As it is, it's too much of a nerf to warriors especially, and to a lesser extent druids (15% to stop all damage/bleeding/wounding(?)). When bashing mobs, it only blocks the physical damage, not from other sources.
I propose the following: Give it a flat 15% to stop all of a denizen's damage, regardless of type. Give it a flat 0% to affect pvp.
In any case, I really dislike it only stopping physical damage since it's unilaterally stopping damage from certain classes while doing very little, if anything, against others (psions, mages, guardians?) making it terribly unbalancing for pvp and not as useful as it would have one believe for bashing.
Make it a bashing utility.
As it is, it's too much of a nerf to warriors especially, and to a lesser extent druids (15% to stop all damage/bleeding/wounding(?)). When bashing mobs, it only blocks the physical damage, not from other sources.
I propose the following: Give it a flat 15% to stop all of a denizen's damage, regardless of type. Give it a flat 0% to affect pvp.
In any case, I really dislike it only stopping physical damage since it's unilaterally stopping damage from certain classes while doing very little, if anything, against others (psions, mages, guardians?) making it terribly unbalancing for pvp and not as useful as it would have one believe for bashing.
Unknown2007-04-19 18:47:56
QUOTE(Tervic @ Apr 19 2007, 08:44 PM) 399855
In light of the effect this has on Druid Fury....
Make it a bashing utility.
As it is, it's too much of a nerf to warriors especially, and to a lesser extent druids (15% to stop all damage/bleeding/wounding(?)). When bashing mobs, it only blocks the physical damage, not from other sources.
I propose the following: Give it a flat 15% to stop all of a denizen's damage, regardless of type. Give it a flat 0% to affect pvp.
Make it a bashing utility.
As it is, it's too much of a nerf to warriors especially, and to a lesser extent druids (15% to stop all damage/bleeding/wounding(?)). When bashing mobs, it only blocks the physical damage, not from other sources.
I propose the following: Give it a flat 15% to stop all of a denizen's damage, regardless of type. Give it a flat 0% to affect pvp.
Lol Supernals Lol Demon Lords Lol Avatars Lol stacks with Drawdown / Nightkiss.
And I don't want my artifact changed. Change Fury instead. The wrath of nature could be unblockable and cause bleeding instead.
Ashteru2007-04-19 18:56:13
I like! Ashen stamp of approval.
Forren2007-04-19 18:56:34
You do realize a lot of people bought it specifically for PvP?
Ashteru2007-04-19 19:05:15
Sell a rune against Mages/Guardians/Wiccans/Druids/Bards too then.
And if you come with the argument of Warriors do damage AND afflictions again...
Wiccans get Fae, Guardians get angels, Mages and Druids get demesnes. All do afflictions. Let's not talk about third skills like Telepathy or hexes, as well.
And if you come with the argument of Warriors do damage AND afflictions again...
Wiccans get Fae, Guardians get angels, Mages and Druids get demesnes. All do afflictions. Let's not talk about third skills like Telepathy or hexes, as well.
Acrune2007-04-19 20:20:37
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Apr 19 2007, 03:05 PM) 399864
And if you come with the argument of Warriors do damage AND afflictions again...
Wiccans get Fae, Guardians get angels, Mages and Druids get demesnes. All do afflictions. Let's not talk about third skills like Telepathy or hexes, as well.
Wiccans get Fae, Guardians get angels, Mages and Druids get demesnes. All do afflictions. Let's not talk about third skills like Telepathy or hexes, as well.
How often do those afflict though? Every ~8 seconds? Very much inferior to the max of 4 afflictions per attack round a knight can get.
Daganev2007-04-19 20:30:44
fine, then just make it 15% chance to defend against any damage regardless.
Or you could just make it affect bashing only.
Or you could just make it affect bashing only.
Daganev2007-04-19 20:32:01
QUOTE(shadow @ Apr 19 2007, 10:47 AM) 399856
Lol Supernals Lol Demon Lords Lol Avatars Lol stacks with Drawdown / Nightkiss.
It does not "stack" with drawdown/nightkiss....
you either take damage or you don't, no stacking with anything.
Ashteru2007-04-19 20:52:01
QUOTE(Acrune @ Apr 19 2007, 08:20 PM) 399878
How often do those afflict though? Every ~8 seconds? Very much inferior to the max of 4 afflictions per attack round a knight can get.
Well, you can do what, 2 affs with pet and two yourself in eight seconds?
Let's say a knght can do 2 swings all four seconds, so he gets himself 8 affs while you get four. He can't choose which and can basically get sucky ones. Or you could shield, web, rebound...
We can't stop your pet.
But anyway, 15% on all damagetypes would be really sweet.
Unknown2007-04-19 20:57:12
I can heal deep wounds, afflictions, and poisons against a warrior much easier than those dozen masked afflictions from a mage with a demesne, pet, and tarot/psionics. Aside from the occasional charybdon hit, you at least KNOW what we're hitting you with!
Now, leave my rune alone, unless you're thinking about making it a 15% chance to avoid ANY damage source.
Now, leave my rune alone, unless you're thinking about making it a 15% chance to avoid ANY damage source.
Gwylifar2007-04-19 20:58:26
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Apr 19 2007, 03:05 PM) 399864
Sell a rune against ...Bards too then.
They do, and it only costs about 30gp, if you can get it.
Unknown2007-04-19 20:59:13
I've got it, but when I eat it, it disappears and doesn't reset.
I want artifact earwort!
I want artifact earwort!
Unknown2007-04-19 21:24:40
QUOTE(daganev @ Apr 19 2007, 10:32 PM) 399883
It does not "stack" with drawdown/nightkiss....
you either take damage or you don't, no stacking with anything.
you either take damage or you don't, no stacking with anything.
That's why there was a nice quote before my answer post, and a bolded part as well. It was thusly in reference to what he wanted to change it to not how it is right now. I'm very well aware what the Rune currently does.
EDIT: And leave my rune alone too! *sulk* ... Which warrior kills with damage anyway (anyone who is half decent that is)...
Daganev2007-04-20 02:59:46
QUOTE(shadow @ Apr 19 2007, 02:24 PM) 399902
That's why there was a nice quote before my answer post, and a bolded part as well. It was thusly in reference to what he wanted to change it to not how it is right now. I'm very well aware what the Rune currently does.
EDIT: And leave my rune alone too! *sulk* ... Which warrior kills with damage anyway (anyone who is half decent that is)...
EDIT: And leave my rune alone too! *sulk* ... Which warrior kills with damage anyway (anyone who is half decent that is)...
But the bolded part said 15% chance to remove all damage from any source. As apposed to a 15% chance to remove all damage from a cutting/blunt source.... I think you missread the idea.
Ildaudid2007-04-20 03:20:30
Discussed this before.
Take the RoA: Make it have a 15% chance per hit to absorb 100% of all types of damage. Or make it have a 30% chance per hit to absorb 50% of all damage types. What is wrong with that? And why do mages, etc not want to have something to nerf them in the slightest but think it is quite sufficient to nerf warriors? That always confuses me? Wouldn't you want to absorb some staff damage, elect damage, fire damage, etc? Especially when bashing urns or obesefessors?
Take the RoA: Make it have a 15% chance per hit to absorb 100% of all types of damage. Or make it have a 30% chance per hit to absorb 50% of all damage types. What is wrong with that? And why do mages, etc not want to have something to nerf them in the slightest but think it is quite sufficient to nerf warriors? That always confuses me? Wouldn't you want to absorb some staff damage, elect damage, fire damage, etc? Especially when bashing urns or obesefessors?
Unknown2007-04-20 04:08:38
QUOTE
How often do those afflict though? Every ~8 seconds? Very much inferior to the max of 4 afflictions per attack round a knight can get.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but I would just like to point out that crack kills.
Acrune2007-04-20 14:30:38
Been smoking a pipe filled with truth. Maybe you should have a couple puffs
Unknown2007-04-21 02:20:13
QUOTE(Acrune @ Apr 20 2007, 10:30 AM) 400102
Been smoking a pipe filled with truth. Maybe you should have a couple puffs
How much is it, and where do I buy it?
Ildaudid2007-04-21 03:21:11
I'll set you up, the first hit is free the next time will cost ya.
-plays the song Pusher while handing you the pipe of truth-
-plays the song Pusher while handing you the pipe of truth-