Heroes

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Daganev2007-11-06 06:22:38
QUOTE(daganev @ Oct 30 2007, 10:12 AM) 454533
Adam Monroe.... is he Kensei?

apparently, in the Heroe's mobile game, Adam monroe is listed as one of the founders.

dum dum dum.


Woot! I'm so happy I was right about one thing. smile.gif
Shiri2007-11-06 07:11:31
Huh. What was with the green lens thing behind the planet instead of the orange one at the start(ish) of this episode?
Not done watching yet so I won't read the previous page. ninja.gif
Unknown2007-11-06 07:20:31
Hrm, for some reason, I'm not entirely sold on Kensei being Adam Monroe, because didn't Bob say that Adam can (judging by what he's said so far about that newspaper clipping) control the weather? I.e. maybe Kensei is just another puppet pretending to be Adam, either that, or maybe his regenerative abilities evolved to weather control as well (which doesn't exactly make much sense in my head as far as power evolution goes).
Shiri2007-11-06 07:57:08
How come Hiro thought he'd killed Kensei anyway? You'd think he'd be a LITTLE more cautious at this point.


EDIT:
Also, I thought it could have been weather control, but it could have been something more vague like the ability to control nature, cause miracles in general, or change the future. That would certainly mark him out as being "special" when compared to all the others. Either way, I don't see why the idea that Kensei could be Adam even got brought up.


EDIT: ninja.gif that'll teach me not to watch the very last 2 minutes of the episode before commenting
Xinael2007-11-06 10:39:10
@Shiri: You saw how close the explosion was. He would've been pink mist, I doubt Hiro was worried.

@Sojiro:
It's pretty obvious that Kensei is Adam. He's got the motive, he's definitely been around long enough, and he calls himself Adam at the end. The weather control thing will probably be explained later - perhaps it's just someone working for Adam.


Also, I'm shocked at how fast they've gotten through the paintings. I thought they were going to play a much more central role in the plot, but we only saw them all last episode and we've already seen up to the sixth one now.
Navaryn2007-11-06 12:59:40
QUOTE(Sojiro @ Nov 6 2007, 02:20 AM) 456360
Hrm, for some reason, I'm not entirely sold on Kensei being Adam Monroe, because didn't Bob say that Adam can (judging by what he's said so far about that newspaper clipping) control the weather? I.e. maybe Kensei is just another puppet pretending to be Adam, either that, or maybe his regenerative abilities evolved to weather control as well (which doesn't exactly make much sense in my head as far as power evolution goes).


My theory is that Peter is actually related to Adam/Kensei, not Claire (which would explain the 'Petrelli's dark secret' mentioned in the previews. So Kensei can actually absorb powers. He would have gained regeneration from someone else (maybe the Princess, why not?), and gained time travel from Hiro, explaining how he ended up in 21st century. Sorry, I don't buy that regeneration made him immortal. Sure, there are a few holes in my theory but I am sure future episodes will explain accordingly.
Daganev2007-11-06 18:05:49
The green lens behind the eclipse is because NBC is doing a "Green is Universal" campaign this week. You can read about it in another thread.


QUOTE

My theory is that Peter is actually related to Adam/Kensei, not Claire (which would explain the 'Petrelli's dark secret' mentioned in the previews. So Kensei can actually absorb powers. He would have gained regeneration from someone else (maybe the Princess, why not?), and gained time travel from Hiro, explaining how he ended up in 21st century. Sorry, I don't buy that regeneration made him immortal. Sure, there are a few holes in my theory but I am sure future episodes will explain accordingly.



@Shiri:
If you look closley, you can seen Adam's charred corpse in the wreckage when Hiro picks up the helmet. It was some time later, so he must have just thought he was dead

@Navaryn:
Kensei can regenerate, I am pretty sure that is his only ability, which normally means he can't die. I doubt he has other powers, I think he has been alive all this time. (which to me explains how people from Japan, Australia, and America all "found" each other. Adam was searching and finding them over the years.) Adam probably found someone who can control weather, and so told him to do it on X day, to prove to the others of the group, that there are others like them. I think of Adam as a vampire trope actually.
Zalandrus2007-11-06 18:54:11
I don't think Kensei is really Adam, I think Adam actually has weather/natural phenomenom-controlling powers, and is using Kensei, who's really part of the company anyways. And wouldn't it make sense now for Molly to seek out this "Adam" and the rest of the founders? Maury is out now, so he can't trap her in her mind.

Also, I think sooner or later we'll learn that a LOT of these people are related...Kensei/Claire, Elle(?)/Kensei, Petrellis/Niki even?

And I wanna know what Angela Petrelli's and Kaito Nakamura's powers are, darn it!
Daganev2007-11-06 20:04:41
QUOTE(Zalandrus Meyedsun @ Nov 6 2007, 10:54 AM) 456472
I don't think Kensei is really Adam, I think Adam actually has weather/natural phenomenom-controlling powers, and is using Kensei, who's really part of the company anyways. And wouldn't it make sense now for Molly to seek out this "Adam" and the rest of the founders? Maury is out now, so he can't trap her in her mind.

Also, I think sooner or later we'll learn that a LOT of these people are related...Kensei/Claire, Elle(?)/Kensei, Petrellis/Niki even?

And I wanna know what Angela Petrelli's and Kaito Nakamura's powers are, darn it!





Ok, so maybe you couldn't see it, but on the "next epsiode" preview, they show peter sitting in his recovery cell, and then it split screens to adam sitting on the other side of the wall. And Peter says "hello, I'm peter." and Kensei says , "hello, I'm adam." And they also imply that elle is Bob's daughter, and they show him saying to Elle, "he isn't a toy." (or was it plaything)..

Navaryn2007-11-06 21:51:19
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 6 2007, 01:05 PM) 456447
The green lens behind the eclipse is because NBC is doing a "Green is Universal" campaign this week. You can read about it in another thread.
@Shiri:
If you look closley, you can seen Adam's charred corpse in the wreckage when Hiro picks up the helmet. It was some time later, so he must have just thought he was dead

@Navaryn:
Kensei can regenerate, I am pretty sure that is his only ability, which normally means he can't die. I doubt he has other powers, I think he has been alive all this time. (which to me explains how people from Japan, Australia, and America all "found" each other. Adam was searching and finding them over the years.) Adam probably found someone who can control weather, and so told him to do it on X day, to prove to the others of the group, that there are others like them. I think of Adam as a vampire trope actually.


Regeneration only mean you can't get killed/murdered. I can't see how it would stop old age. So your reasoning doesn't fully convince me, sorry.
Unknown2007-11-06 21:53:16
Maybe the reason Kensei took so long to regenerate is because a gun barrel got lodged in his skull or something. With Claire and Peter, it seems that they can't regenerate if their is something obstructing their brain.

Also, I have no idea where you guys are getting the idea that Adam isn't Kensei, or that it was specifically him that stopped the tsunami. They didn't say anywhere that it was Adam that stopped the tsunami, but they did mention the tsunami right after talking about how Adam "brought them all together". There could have been someone with weather control abilities, or there even could have been people with telekinesis, to stop the wave; cryokinesis, to freeze it into snow (if this was used, it's practitioner may have been where Sylar got his instance of the power, but maybe not); water manipulation, or other things.

Edit Also, as death of old age is really just cells shutting down and dying (to put it simply), I don't see why cellular regeneration shouldn't combat that.
Daganev2007-11-06 22:10:55
QUOTE(Navaryn @ Nov 6 2007, 01:51 PM) 456538
Regeneration only mean you can't get killed/murdered. I can't see how it would stop old age. So your reasoning doesn't fully convince me, sorry.


Regeneration, in the instance of Kensei, means that his body replaces his old/missing cells with new ones that are the same as he was when he lost them. Apparently, he gained his power first when he was in his 30s tongue.gif (comics seem to never want to explain that part.)

If he gets choked, and loses oxygen to his brain, eventually his brain regenerates, and he is back to normal. If some dna piece gets damaged, it comes back and he is good again.

If you remember, Peter lost the tattoo he got, because he regenerated over it. Yay immortals!


Don't forget that Bob said they had him imprisoned, untill "two weeks ago"
Xenthos2007-11-06 22:17:29
I'm not really sure how you can say that regeneration WOULDN'T keep someone alive forever, unless it's imperfect regeneration. Age is caused by a slow breakdown of your cells-- as they split, they wear out. (Something to do with a way to prevent cancer, that also wears out as you get older, as I understand it, though I'm not actually a med student and this is a more recent theory). So if you regenerate your cells... well, there can't really be any aging, theoretically, because your cells aren't being allowed to break down.
Noola2007-11-06 22:25:27
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Nov 6 2007, 04:17 PM) 456542
I'm not really sure how you can say that regeneration WOULDN'T keep someone alive forever, unless it's imperfect regeneration. Age is caused by a slow breakdown of your cells-- as they split, they wear out. (Something to do with a way to prevent cancer, that also wears out as you get older, as I understand it, though I'm not actually a med student and this is a more recent theory). So if you regenerate your cells... well, there can't really be any aging, theoretically, because your cells aren't being allowed to break down.



Yeah, I think it's pretty much given that anyone with regerative powers is gonna be immortal.
Jack2007-11-06 22:28:47
Wolverine is even more OP. I do not approve.
Daganev2007-11-06 23:00:34
QUOTE(Jack @ Nov 6 2007, 02:28 PM) 456547
Wolverine is even more OP. I do not approve.


why is that in spoiler tags? tongue.gif
Noola2007-11-06 23:01:52
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 6 2007, 05:00 PM) 456555
why is that in spoiler tags? tongue.gif


Fun? laugh.gif
Xinael2007-11-07 00:37:17
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Nov 6 2007, 10:17 PM) 456542
I'm not really sure how you can say that regeneration WOULDN'T keep someone alive forever, unless it's imperfect regeneration. Age is caused by a slow breakdown of your cells-- as they split, they wear out. (Something to do with a way to prevent cancer, that also wears out as you get older, as I understand it, though I'm not actually a med student and this is a more recent theory). So if you regenerate your cells... well, there can't really be any aging, theoretically, because your cells aren't being allowed to break down.

Aging is a very difficult thing to break down into specific causes. I haven't read a great deal on the topic, but the very fact that it's still a broadly unknown problem is pretty strong evidence for that. So, with that said, I think your statement that "age is caused by a breakdown of cells" is a bold one, and perhaps not strictly true. Certainly plenty of aging is caused by hormones and by constant use (skin wrinkling, that sort of thing).

However, it's a pretty pointless discussion since the writers can pretty much make Claire/Kensei's power to whatever the hell they like. Medical science isn't a factor in their decision as to whether or not their power can prevent aging. The only real answer to this question will be to wait and see.
Navaryn2007-11-07 01:39:51
I'm pretty sure that, in Season 1, Claire's parents mentioned occurences where she would heal at a fast rate when she was younger. Obviously, she had her power back then and aged. Anyway, I'm gonna stop arguing about this since, as Xinael said, it's a pointless discussion and the writers can do whatever they want.
Xinael2007-11-07 01:46:37
Mmm, and aging through puberty is caused by hormones and very different to the aging that causes things like heart disease. Allegedly.