Heroes

by Unknown

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Veonira2007-11-07 02:07:55
QUOTE(Xinael @ Nov 6 2007, 07:37 PM) 456569
Aging is a very difficult thing to break down into specific causes. I haven't read a great deal on the topic, but the very fact that it's still a broadly unknown problem is pretty strong evidence for that. So, with that said, I think your statement that "age is caused by a breakdown of cells" is a bold one, and perhaps not strictly true. Certainly plenty of aging is caused by hormones and by constant use (skin wrinkling, that sort of thing).

However, it's a pretty pointless discussion since the writers can pretty much make Claire/Kensei's power to whatever the hell they like. Medical science isn't a factor in their decision as to whether or not their power can prevent aging. The only real answer to this question will be to wait and see.


Actually I watched a show that discussed how oxygen is actually on factor in aging, sort of like a "rusting" of the cells. There is also the issue of within cells where with each cellular division the telomeres shorten a bit, which is why cloned things (such as Dolly) were born and had the cellular age of the thing they were cloned from, thus didn't live as long as they would have if they were born naturally. If the telomere is too short, the cell can no longer divide and dies. It's not really known if this -causes- aging or is just a side-effect of aging, but it's one theory.

So going by that, along with any other environmental factors that contribute to aging, it makes sense that aging can be prevented past some of the hormonal changes like puberty and what not. Also, since it seems most of the heroes have more power than they originally realize, Adam may have become so in touch with himself that he learned how to actually heal on command, how to prevent himself from aging, etc.


And side note, I would totally do Adam. *siiiigh* wub.gif
Shiri2007-11-07 02:18:38
Plus, couldn't Kensei be lying about being Adam? (Don't think anyone covered that directly.)
Noola2007-11-07 02:19:52
QUOTE(Veonira @ Nov 6 2007, 08:07 PM) 456600
Actually I watched a show that discussed how oxygen is actually on factor in aging, sort of like a "rusting" of the cells. There is also the issue of within cells where with each cellular division the telomeres shorten a bit, which is why cloned things (such as Dolly) were born and had the cellular age of the thing they were cloned from, thus didn't live as long as they would have if they were born naturally. If the telomere is too short, the cell can no longer divide and dies. It's not really known if this -causes- aging or is just a side-effect of aging, but it's one theory.

So going by that, along with any other environmental factors that contribute to aging, it makes sense that aging can be prevented past some of the hormonal changes like puberty and what not. Also, since it seems most of the heroes have more power than they originally realize, Adam may have become so in touch with himself that he learned how to actually heal on command, how to prevent himself from aging, etc.
And side note, I would totally do Adam. *siiiigh* wub.gif


I think I saw that same show! Was it on the Science Channel? With a name like The Human Machine or something similar?

Adam is quite tasty looking isn't he? Also, if he has been alive since the time of feudal Japan, then it would explain why he has that god complex Bob mentioned. I mean, if you were basicly immortal, wouldn't you start to think you were better than everyone else?
Unknown2007-11-07 03:17:55
Well, its already been stated in the show that powers grow stronger as time goes on. Matt's dad mentions in when Matt confronts him--he says his power started out the same way, and got stronger. So, reasonably, Claire's/Kensei's power might not be strong enough to stop aging until their 30's. It would actually be likely, because evolving in a way that would keep you young would actually be a severe limiting factor. Though, if you could instantly regenerate, you'd also have virtually unlimited strength and endurance too, so long as your regeneration is fast enough to keep up with the tearing of muscle fibers, which neither Claire nor Kensei seem to have demonstrated, soo, who knows the exact specifics of how their power works. Speaking of that though, that's one of the things I loved about Unbreakable--it demonstrated how being unhurtable results in super-strength.
Daevos2007-11-07 04:21:32
Damn you all for blacking out text.
Veonira2007-11-07 05:02:11
Wha?? Just highlight it!
Richter2007-11-07 07:36:13
You know how Matt's dad had an advanced form of Matt's power? I wonder if immortality is an advanced form of the regeneration? I wonder if all the powers have advanced forms...
Verithrax2007-11-07 09:01:02
They're not Pokemon.
Xinael2007-11-07 11:03:33
I don't think it's an advanced form of the power (OMG IM A LEVEL 5 REGENERIST) as much as it was Maury getting better at using it and finding out what it can do. Regardless, though, perhaps Kensei's power is better (purer?) than Claire's, or perhaps they are both immortal. Who knows?
Unknown2007-11-07 16:46:11
Aging(Old Age) is a totally different process from Aging(Childhood-adulthood). The former is more related cell death, where puberty and childhood growth is instead hormonal changes in your bodily makeup, and cell growth. I don't see why regeneration would prevent puberty.
Daevos2007-11-07 23:14:49
Reading through 12 pages of blacked out text is just far too much of a hassle and what is gained from blacking it out anyway. Most of you aren't giving any kind of lead in to the blackout, so most will highlight just out of curiosity and be spoiled if there is in fact a spoiler found within.

So…

It seems like an entirely wasteful effort yet so many of you seem quite committed to it.
Daganev2007-11-07 23:28:59
It is a conspiracy to see who can say the most nothing.
Verithrax2007-11-07 23:38:07
Kensei betrays Hiro, the nighmare man is Parkman's dad, Nikki is Suresh's new partner in the Company, Suresh tells the company about Noah... What else?
Xinael2007-11-07 23:38:32
It gives you the option of not reading it if you don't want to. It says "this might spoil it for you, make your choice". Some of us (especially Shiri tongue.gif) don't watch it until later than others, and don't want an episode spoiled until then. If you simply must know what someone's saying, you're free to find out.
Daganev2007-11-07 23:52:21
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Nov 7 2007, 03:38 PM) 456780
Kensei betrays Hiro, the nighmare man is Parkman's dad, Nikki is Suresh's new partner in the Company, Suresh tells the company about Noah... What else?


What are you what elseing about?

Here is some more what else:


The princess tells hiro she will keep the timeline by not mentioning him in the stories.
Claire betrays her family and loses her boyfriend all in one swoop.
Peter leaves caitlin behind in the future, to die to the virus
Parkman(the son) learns he can do what his father can do on every level.
Parkman's dad is trapped in a nightmare.
Also, Hiro betrays Kensei. I don't think kensei betrays Hiro.
Xinael2007-11-08 00:22:21
Waiting for him to get close and turn his back, bashing him over the head and turning him over to their hated enemy isn't betrayal?
Daganev2007-11-08 00:53:08
QUOTE(Xinael @ Nov 7 2007, 04:22 PM) 456787
Waiting for him to get close and turn his back, bashing him over the head and turning him over to their hated enemy isn't betrayal?


I believe that is called the Backstab technique, or the blackjack technique as they called it in Thief.

Hiro stole his girlfriend and purpose for being a hero.
Jack2007-11-08 01:10:02
QUOTE(Veonira @ Nov 7 2007, 02:07 AM) 456600
Actually I watched a show that discussed how oxygen is actually on factor in aging, sort of like a "rusting" of the cells. There is also the issue of within cells where with each cellular division the telomeres shorten a bit, which is why cloned things (such as Dolly) were born and had the cellular age of the thing they were cloned from, thus didn't live as long as they would have if they were born naturally. If the telomere is too short, the cell can no longer divide and dies. It's not really known if this -causes- aging or is just a side-effect of aging, but it's one theory.

Like Solid Snake.

OH GOD I HATE HOW OLD SNAKE LOOKS. HIS MUSTACHE MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE A MATHS TEACHER.
Xinael2007-11-08 10:53:29
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me, daganev? Where I come from, "You've stabbed me in the back!" is synonymous with "You've betrayed me!", and Kensei coshed him over the back of the head. The fact that Hiro perhaps deserved it is irrelevant, really. Maybe they both betrayed each other, but Kensei still did some of his own.
Daganev2007-11-08 17:13:38
If someone teaches me how to not get hurt by a weapon, and then finds a way to hurt me in a way deeper than any wound (or whatever poetic thing Kensei says) then I would not consider using trickery on that person to be betrayal.

From my point of view betrayal is a question of intent, not a question of action.

IT is a meaningless conversation. I thought Wiki would prove me wrong but it just proves the conversation meaningless.

"Defining "betrayal"

Rodger L. Jackson, author of the article, The Sense and Sensibility of Betrayal: Discovering the Meaning of Treachery Through Jane Austen, writes that "there has been surprisingly little written about what we even mean by the term". In psychology, practitioners describe betrayal as the breaking of a social contract; however, critics of this approach claim that the term social contract does not accurately reflect the conditions and motivations for, and effects of, betrayal. Philosophers Judith Shklar and Peter Johnson, authors of The Ambiguities of Betrayal and Frames of Deceit respectively, contend that while no clear definition of betrayal is available, betrayal is more effectively understood through literature. http://www.nhinet.org/jackson13-2.pdf"


"It is all right to rat, but you can't re-rat." - Winston Churchill

"They talk of a man betraying his country, his friends, his sweetheart. There must be a moral bond first. All a man can betray is his conscience." - Joseph Conrad

"To betray you must first belong." - Harold Philby