Unknown2007-11-27 17:42:40
I really hope Hiro doesn't die, but I really doubt he'll manage to kill Peter, what with his Anything You Can Do (Superpower Edition) ability.
And Maya's a bit of an idiot. And Sylar's a bastard. And they were both kissing outside his room, one of them half naked? And Maya didn't have the slightest inclination to go inside?
And yeah, I agree with Noola about Peter's wisdom, or lack thereof.
And I don't distrust West, but I am wondering what was really in that Urn.
Oh, and I think Micah's probably going to go and get Niki's help to save Monica, and judging from Micah's expression when that house blew up in the trailer for the next episode, she's going to be one of the ones to "fall". And I'm surprised that Monicah didn't use her Anything You Can Do (Physical Edition) thing on How to get out of a bloody van. I guess she wouldn't have expected to have to use it, but if I was browsing through an iPod full of stuff I could learn instantly, and planning to use it so save people, how to get out of a tight situation would be the first thing to find.
And Maya's a bit of an idiot. And Sylar's a bastard. And they were both kissing outside his room, one of them half naked? And Maya didn't have the slightest inclination to go inside?
And yeah, I agree with Noola about Peter's wisdom, or lack thereof.
And I don't distrust West, but I am wondering what was really in that Urn.
Oh, and I think Micah's probably going to go and get Niki's help to save Monica, and judging from Micah's expression when that house blew up in the trailer for the next episode, she's going to be one of the ones to "fall". And I'm surprised that Monicah didn't use her Anything You Can Do (Physical Edition) thing on How to get out of a bloody van. I guess she wouldn't have expected to have to use it, but if I was browsing through an iPod full of stuff I could learn instantly, and planning to use it so save people, how to get out of a tight situation would be the first thing to find.
Unknown2007-11-27 17:50:03
QUOTE(Ytraelux @ Nov 27 2007, 11:42 AM) 460563
Oh, and I think Micah's probably going to go and get Niki's help to save Monica, and judging from Micah's expression when that house blew up in the trailer for the next episode, she's going to be one of the ones to "fall". And I'm surprised that Monicah didn't use her Anything You Can Do (Physical Edition) thing on How to get out of a bloody van. I guess she wouldn't have expected to have to use it, but if I was browsing through an iPod full of stuff I could learn instantly, and planning to use it so save people, how to get out of a tight situation would be the first thing to find.
I actually wondered why she chose to hide -in the house-. Why didn't she just leave through the window the way she came in once those guys were inside?
Noola2007-11-27 17:50:08
QUOTE(Ytraelux @ Nov 27 2007, 11:42 AM) 460563
And I'm surprised that Monicah didn't use her Anything You Can Do (Physical Edition) thing on How to get out of a bloody van. I guess she wouldn't have expected to have to use it, but if I was browsing through an iPod full of stuff I could learn instantly, and planning to use it so save people, how to get out of a tight situation would be the first thing to find.
Yeah! Course, I think she'd been knocked out by the time she got tossed in the van... but still. The girl shoulda watched Kill Bill then she'd have been able to pluck those guys' eyes out and escape before she'd gotten caught like that! Hmm... actually, do you think that she could emulate fictional physical acts?
And yeah... why didn't Maya notice that ol Gabriel was all out of breath from his 'shower' anyway? Silly Maya.
I'm hopeful that Hiro will be able to talk some sense into Peter after they get in that neck-lock you see in the previews. Goodness knows he needs it!
Unknown2007-11-27 22:22:19
QUOTE(Noola @ Nov 27 2007, 05:50 PM) 460565
Yeah! Course, I think she'd been knocked out by the time she got tossed in the van... but still. The girl shoulda watched Kill Bill then she'd have been able to pluck those guys' eyes out and escape before she'd gotten caught like that! Hmm... actually, do you think that she could emulate fictional physical acts?
And yeah... why didn't Maya notice that ol Gabriel was all out of breath from his 'shower' anyway? Silly Maya.
I'm hopeful that Hiro will be able to talk some sense into Peter after they get in that neck-lock you see in the previews. Goodness knows he needs it!
I think the creators mentioned in an interview that if she saw someone use their superpower, Monica wouldn't be able to mimic it. I think the example used was that if she saw Nathan fly, she still wouldn't be able to fly. So I'm not sure Kill Bill moves would work either.
EDIT: I found the interview. It's maybe a third of the way down. http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12172
EDIT II: I'm wondering about Peter's new Astral Projection ability. I think he may have got that from Deveaux, or it could have been Kaito or someone. Deveaux certainly seemed like he had some ability relating to seeing things that others couldn't see, or being some sort of spiritual guide.
Also, I think Angela Petrelli may have a variation on the Persuasion ability. She seemed to be able to persuade people of things lots of the time, and I think the camera lingered just a little too long on her hand on Heidi's arm before Heidi's sudden change of heart. Though why she didn't use it to stop Matt from stealing Victoria's name, I have no idea, so I'm probably wrong about the persuasion thing. Unless it requires very specific circumstances, which would suck.
EDIT III: Or Matt could just be resistant to the persuasion anyway, what with being a telepath and all.
EDIT: I found the interview. It's maybe a third of the way down. http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12172
EDIT II: I'm wondering about Peter's new Astral Projection ability. I think he may have got that from Deveaux, or it could have been Kaito or someone. Deveaux certainly seemed like he had some ability relating to seeing things that others couldn't see, or being some sort of spiritual guide.
Also, I think Angela Petrelli may have a variation on the Persuasion ability. She seemed to be able to persuade people of things lots of the time, and I think the camera lingered just a little too long on her hand on Heidi's arm before Heidi's sudden change of heart. Though why she didn't use it to stop Matt from stealing Victoria's name, I have no idea, so I'm probably wrong about the persuasion thing. Unless it requires very specific circumstances, which would suck.
EDIT III: Or Matt could just be resistant to the persuasion anyway, what with being a telepath and all.
Noola2007-11-27 22:25:00
QUOTE(Ytraelux @ Nov 27 2007, 04:22 PM) 460593
I think the creators mentioned in an interview that if she saw someone use their superpower, Monica wouldn't be able to mimic it. I think the example used was that if she saw Nathan fly, she still wouldn't be able to fly. So I'm not sure Kill Bill moves would work either.
EDIT: I found the interview. It's maybe a third of the way down. http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12172
EDIT: I found the interview. It's maybe a third of the way down. http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12172
QUOTE
Monica can only do things within her physical limit.
Hmm... yeah, prolly no Kill Bill moves then. Too bad.
Nott2007-11-27 23:14:03
QUOTE(Noola @ Nov 27 2007, 04:25 PM) 460594
Hmm... yeah, prolly no Kill Bill moves then. Too bad.
I don't know. Kill Bill would still fit, I think. She is in the prime of her life, so her athletic abilities are at their peak. She could surely move like anyone from the movie. As long as she views a physical action, she can do it.
I mean, she already saw professional wrestling and was able to do the aerial moves.
Daganev2007-11-28 00:45:30
What astral projection ability?
Is the heroe's view of time travel really that complex?
Each person has a string which thier timeline travels on. The time travel ability is able to jump those strings, and to move along to any point along that string. If a person travels to 12pm on Jan 1 2000, from the year 2005 it is different from when they travel there from say 1998. In 1998, Peter/Hiro would see two people, his 1998 self, and his 2000 self. However, if he travels from 2005 he will see three people. His 1998 self, his 2000 self and his 2005 self.
Is the heroe's view of time travel really that complex?
Each person has a string which thier timeline travels on. The time travel ability is able to jump those strings, and to move along to any point along that string. If a person travels to 12pm on Jan 1 2000, from the year 2005 it is different from when they travel there from say 1998. In 1998, Peter/Hiro would see two people, his 1998 self, and his 2000 self. However, if he travels from 2005 he will see three people. His 1998 self, his 2000 self and his 2005 self.
Unknown2007-11-28 02:54:36
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 27 2007, 04:45 PM) 460611
What astral projection ability?
Is the heroe's view of time travel really that complex?
Each person has a string which thier timeline travels on. The time travel ability is able to jump those strings, and to move along to any point along that string. If a person travels to 12pm on Jan 1 2000, from the year 2005 it is different from when they travel there from say 1998. In 1998, Peter/Hiro would see two people, his 1998 self, and his 2000 self. However, if he travels from 2005 he will see three people. His 1998 self, his 2000 self and his 2005 self.
Is the heroe's view of time travel really that complex?
Each person has a string which thier timeline travels on. The time travel ability is able to jump those strings, and to move along to any point along that string. If a person travels to 12pm on Jan 1 2000, from the year 2005 it is different from when they travel there from say 1998. In 1998, Peter/Hiro would see two people, his 1998 self, and his 2000 self. However, if he travels from 2005 he will see three people. His 1998 self, his 2000 self and his 2005 self.
Though there is clearly something off about his latest attempt, in that no one could see or hear him. I mean, it was obviously time travel, given that he was able to bring back the flier.. but it wasn't the full-fledged travel that we've seen. Maybe if a time travelling you is at a certain time, that another time travelling you can't manage to be in-phase at the same time? Have we seen two time travelling versions of a person in the same place at the same time? I can't remember.
Shiri2007-11-28 03:00:36
I don't think we've seen it, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And what do you think "in-phase" means? He was in-phase enough to grab the flyer.
Unknown2007-11-28 03:06:18
QUOTE(Shiri @ Nov 27 2007, 07:00 PM) 460630
I don't think we've seen it, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And what do you think "in-phase" means? He was in-phase enough to grab the flyer.
Think of it like the movie Ghost, I guess? You can't be seen or heard, but you can still interact with objects? Or, if you haven't seen Ghost, how about a Lusty concept--Dreamweavers. You can't see or hear them, but they can still pick up items.
And even if you say it doesn't make any sense, I'd say it makes more sense than a bunch of people not seeing him or hearing him yelling.
An explanation could be that the flier was there for a long period of time and was going to be there for a long period of time, so it wasn't specific to that moment he was there, and so he could interact with it. *shrugs* all I know is that there had to be something up for him to grab the flier but not be noticed.
Daganev2007-11-28 04:36:05
QUOTE(S.A.W. @ Nov 27 2007, 07:06 PM) 460633
Think of it like the movie Ghost, I guess? You can't be seen or heard, but you can still interact with objects? Or, if you haven't seen Ghost, how about a Lusty concept--Dreamweavers. You can't see or hear them, but they can still pick up items.
And even if you say it doesn't make any sense, I'd say it makes more sense than a bunch of people not seeing him or hearing him yelling.
An explanation could be that the flier was there for a long period of time and was going to be there for a long period of time, so it wasn't specific to that moment he was there, and so he could interact with it. *shrugs* all I know is that there had to be something up for him to grab the flier but not be noticed.
And even if you say it doesn't make any sense, I'd say it makes more sense than a bunch of people not seeing him or hearing him yelling.
An explanation could be that the flier was there for a long period of time and was going to be there for a long period of time, so it wasn't specific to that moment he was there, and so he could interact with it. *shrugs* all I know is that there had to be something up for him to grab the flier but not be noticed.
orrrrr.....
He got there and slowed down time, flipping back and forth between the different times thus Adam was able to hear him screaming but the people in the future could not. Orrr.... the police and screaming was so loud they just didn't notice him, just as Hiro's dad didn't notice Hiro when he was on the rooftop.
Unknown2007-11-28 05:46:28
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 27 2007, 08:36 PM) 460647
orrrrr.....
He got there and slowed down time, flipping back and forth between the different times thus Adam was able to hear him screaming but the people in the future could not. Orrr.... the police and screaming was so loud they just didn't notice him, just as Hiro's dad didn't notice Hiro when he was on the rooftop.
He got there and slowed down time, flipping back and forth between the different times thus Adam was able to hear him screaming but the people in the future could not. Orrr.... the police and screaming was so loud they just didn't notice him, just as Hiro's dad didn't notice Hiro when he was on the rooftop.
...the first one makes no sense. When he was standing there in the future, everything was moving in real-time, so he didn't slow down anything. And I highly doubt in a situation like that, where its not exactly common for people to be walking the street, that you'd miss someone standing not more than a few feet away. Hiro wasn't standing out in the open, Peter was.
I really think its more plausible that two of the same time traveller can't be completely in-phase at the same time. Otherwise there's no stopping someone from essentially massing an army of themselves. Peter made it very clear that he couldn't get back to the point where he could save Kaitlin, which would be the point when his other self was still there.
Daganev2007-11-28 16:18:03
QUOTE(S.A.W. @ Nov 27 2007, 09:46 PM) 460669
...the first one makes no sense. When he was standing there in the future, everything was moving in real-time, so he didn't slow down anything. And I highly doubt in a situation like that, where its not exactly common for people to be walking the street, that you'd miss someone standing not more than a few feet away. Hiro wasn't standing out in the open, Peter was.
I really think its more plausible that two of the same time traveller can't be completely in-phase at the same time. Otherwise there's no stopping someone from essentially massing an army of themselves. Peter made it very clear that he couldn't get back to the point where he could save Kaitlin, which would be the point when his other self was still there.
I really think its more plausible that two of the same time traveller can't be completely in-phase at the same time. Otherwise there's no stopping someone from essentially massing an army of themselves. Peter made it very clear that he couldn't get back to the point where he could save Kaitlin, which would be the point when his other self was still there.
Funny you should say that....
Read the comic on nbc.com, its about a charachter during the revolutionary war who makes a massive army of himself.
Verithrax2007-11-28 17:10:32
It was done for dramatic effect. Stop arguing, you nerds.
Unknown2007-11-28 17:56:56
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 28 2007, 04:18 PM) 460764
Funny you should say that....
Read the comic on nbc.com, its about a character during the revolutionary war who makes a massive army of himself.
Read the comic on nbc.com, its about a character during the revolutionary war who makes a massive army of himself.
But that had nothing whatsoever to do with time travel, and so is fairly irrelevant.
Daganev2007-11-28 18:08:56
QUOTE(Ytraelux @ Nov 28 2007, 09:56 AM) 460786
But that had nothing whatsoever to do with time travel, and so is fairly irrelevant.
yes, but the one man army was cool anyways.
Unknown2007-11-28 19:53:40
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Nov 28 2007, 09:10 AM) 460771
It was done for dramatic effect. Stop arguing, you nerds.
If we're having fun with it, what's the harm? Its no more arbitrary than playing a sport or video game in terms of what you get out of trying to "win".
Unknown2007-11-28 19:54:35
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 28 2007, 10:08 AM) 460791
yes, but the one man army was cool anyways.
Sylar with that power would be interesting.
Zalandrus2007-11-28 20:51:53
Did anybody feel that the dialog in this last episode was particularly not well-written? A lot of it seemed cliched or just...bleh...
And, how are they going to unite the different threads in another "save the world" kinda ending, with just one episode left? How does Monica's plight have anything to do at all with what Peter/Adam/Hiro/Matt are doing? And then what about the Sylar plot?
I heard from a friend that the writers wrote this ending as an "alternate" ending in case they were gonna go on strike...they originally had a different direction for the entire season, but they had to scrap that seeing as, well, nothing in the middle was written...darn writers going on strike!
And I wanna know the original heroes' powers!! Another one down, and we have no idea what she could do!
And, how are they going to unite the different threads in another "save the world" kinda ending, with just one episode left? How does Monica's plight have anything to do at all with what Peter/Adam/Hiro/Matt are doing? And then what about the Sylar plot?
I heard from a friend that the writers wrote this ending as an "alternate" ending in case they were gonna go on strike...they originally had a different direction for the entire season, but they had to scrap that seeing as, well, nothing in the middle was written...darn writers going on strike!
And I wanna know the original heroes' powers!! Another one down, and we have no idea what she could do!
Noola2007-11-28 20:55:34
QUOTE(Zalandrus Meyedsun @ Nov 28 2007, 02:51 PM) 460839
I heard from a friend that the writers wrote this ending as an "alternate" ending in case they were gonna go on strike...they originally had a different direction for the entire season, but they had to scrap that seeing as, well, nothing in the middle was written...darn writers going on strike!
The writers strike makes me an angry Noola.
It's screwing with things I enjoy way too much.