Xenthos2007-05-22 17:23:36
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 01:07 PM) 410813
Friend of mine didn't like the ending. Thought that everyone wrote Peter off as dead too easily (I told him that there's a difference between accepting that someone can regenerate after being stabbed through the head and regenerating after being atomized by a nuclear explosion in the stratosphere - but that I don't believe he's dead either) and that Sylar was defeated too easily (I told him that he wasn't really defeated and that he got away and we'll be seeing more of him) and that my idea that Claire's function to convince Nathan that it was a bad idea to let New York blow up was a weak interpretation of "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" (I told him that I thought it was a pretty good one!
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I don't think it's possible to write Peter off as dead-- Nathan flew himself into the sky specifically to save Peter (that was their whole dialogue, I'm sacrificing myself for you, yadayada). I had wondered why Nathan wouldn't just fly off, myself, and let Peter finish.
Noola2007-05-22 17:24:41
QUOTE(daganev @ May 22 2007, 12:16 PM) 410816
I think both Nathan and Peter are both still alive.
Nathan carried Peter as high as he could, then Peter says "Fly away I'm ready to blow", then Nathan flies off, peter starts to fall, then stops focusing on controling the bomb, and starts to fly higher up himself, and that lapse of concentration makes him radiate in a bomb. But he doesn't blow up himself. just learns to control it better now. Just like Ted did.
Oh, I think you're probably right. Or maybe partially right. I think Nathan did die... cause it would make his epiphany and sacrifice kind of cheap if he didn't actually get sacrificed. But either way Peter definetly didn't die. Course, folks on the ground couldn't know that.
Noola2007-05-22 17:27:48
QUOTE(Xenthos @ May 22 2007, 12:23 PM) 410820
I don't think it's possible to write Peter off as dead-- Nathan flew himself into the sky specifically to save Peter (that was their whole dialogue, I'm sacrificing myself for you, yadayada). I had wondered why Nathan wouldn't just fly off, myself, and let Peter finish.
I saw it more as "I'm sacrificing myself to help you save the world, to get you out of here so you don't kill millions of people." really. I think Peter's alive simply because he was alive in the future and that's something that didn't get changed... he did still explode and he did still have Claire's abilities.
Daganev2007-05-22 17:29:25
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 10:24 AM) 410821
Oh, I think you're probably right. Or maybe partially right. I think Nathan did die... cause it would make his epiphany and sacrifice kind of cheap if he didn't actually get sacrificed. But either way Peter definetly didn't die. Course, folks on the ground couldn't know that.
It depends on if you believe issac's paintings are always correct or not. We'll have to find out. But I think Nathan has to be become president, instead of Sylar.
Xenthos2007-05-22 17:31:21
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 01:27 PM) 410823
I saw it more as "I'm sacrificing myself to help you save the world, to get you out of here so you don't kill millions of people." really. I think Peter's alive simply because he was alive in the future and that's something that didn't get changed... he did still explode and he did still have Claire's abilities.
Not sure how that's plausible. Claire was going to shoot him, he was saying there was no other way to stop it except shooting him. Nathan, instead, took him up into the sky-- sacrificing himself for Peter. Further, you had Peter's mother and Nathan speaking together about it a bit earlier with Claire (30 mins through?), saying "Peter's going to die!" "No, he's not. Thanks to you, he will live." "But everyone else is going to die!", etc.
Daganev2007-05-22 17:35:58
I understood the "sacrifice" to be what Noola understood, as well as stopping Clair from shooting Peter, but to be honest, he could have also been sacrificing his plans and his presidancy, (since he wouldn't be a strong moral leader in a time of crisis anymore) and not sacrificing his life
Noola2007-05-22 17:36:25
QUOTE(Xenthos @ May 22 2007, 12:31 PM) 410828
Not sure how that's plausible. Claire was going to shoot him, he was saying there was no other way to stop it except shooting him. Nathan, instead, took him up into the sky-- sacrificing himself for Peter. Further, you had Peter's mother and Nathan speaking together about it a bit earlier with Claire (30 mins through?), saying "Peter's going to die!" "No, he's not. Thanks to you, he will live." "But everyone else is going to die!", etc.
Claire shooting him, was, I believe, just supposed to stop things if they got out of hand. Remember when she fell on that rock? She was actually dead for a bit. Got autopsyed and everything. And Peter was dead until she removed that shard of glass and allowed his brain to regenerate. Evidently enough damage to the brain takes a bit to regenerate. So, she was supposed to shoot him in the head to 'kill' him and stop the explosion if things got out of hand. It wasn't ever mentioned that it would be permanent. And for that matter, for all they know (remember they don't know much about how all this works either) too much damage to the brain is actually permanent.
Which would also help them think Peter's dead... can't get much more damaging than exploding!
And Claire was trying to convince them of the very badness of what they were planning. She was trying to say whatever she thought might reach them. And it worked in the end. Nathan woke up and realized how screwed up the whole thing was.
Which would also help them think Peter's dead... can't get much more damaging than exploding!
And Claire was trying to convince them of the very badness of what they were planning. She was trying to say whatever she thought might reach them. And it worked in the end. Nathan woke up and realized how screwed up the whole thing was.
Xenthos2007-05-22 17:41:03
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 01:36 PM) 410832
Claire shooting him, was, I believe, just supposed to stop things if they got out of hand. Remember when she fell on that rock? She was actually dead for a bit. Got autopsyed and everything. And Peter was dead until she removed that shard of glass and allowed his brain to regenerate. Evidently enough damage to the brain takes a bit to regenerate. So, she was supposed to shoot him in the head to 'kill' him and stop the explosion if things got out of hand. It wasn't ever mentioned that it would be permanent. And for that matter, for all they know (remember they don't know much about how all this works either) too much damage to the brain is actually permanent.
Which would also help them think Peter's dead... can't get much more damaging than exploding!
And Claire was trying to convince them of the very badness of what they were planning. She was trying to say whatever she thought might reach them. And it worked in the end. Nathan woke up and realized how screwed up the whole thing was.
Which would also help them think Peter's dead... can't get much more damaging than exploding!
And Claire was trying to convince them of the very badness of what they were planning. She was trying to say whatever she thought might reach them. And it worked in the end. Nathan woke up and realized how screwed up the whole thing was.
It looks like if there's anything lodged in the brain at ALL, it cannot repair. The item has to be removed. They could've left a bullet lodged in his head forever and he'd be "dead". But they specifically mentioned earlier that if he blew up, he'd repair.
Shorlen2007-05-22 18:56:53
QUOTE(Xenthos @ May 22 2007, 01:41 PM) 410834
It looks like if there's anything lodged in the brain at ALL, it cannot repair. The item has to be removed. They could've left a bullet lodged in his head forever and he'd be "dead". But they specifically mentioned earlier that if he blew up, he'd repair.
I still think that Ted was immune to his own power. I mean, exploding, even minorly, like he did all the time never harmed him in the slightest. It thus stands to reason that Peter wasn't hurt by the explosion. Saving the cheerleader didn't save the world by giving him the power to regenerate, but by giving his brother a reason to sacrifice himself to save the city.
Now, the real question is..... couldn't Peter just fly on his own? Why did he need Nathan to carry him into the atmosphere? And doesn't the fallout from a nuclear explosion in the atmosphwere cause severe cases of radiation poisoning and death to everyone in a large radius?
Ignoring those technicalities though, I loved the final episode. It was really well done. My only minor gripe is that Sylar survived - I really think he should have died. I didn't much like him as a villian - Mrs. Pettrelli makes a far better villian, and we have the new villian coming up in chapter two, the man who looks back at Molly when she finds him. Seems like he'll have some sort of ability that lets him redirect other people's abilities in some way, though that sounds far too much like Sylar/Peter.
Now, the real question is..... couldn't Peter just fly on his own? Why did he need Nathan to carry him into the atmosphere? And doesn't the fallout from a nuclear explosion in the atmosphwere cause severe cases of radiation poisoning and death to everyone in a large radius?
Ignoring those technicalities though, I loved the final episode. It was really well done. My only minor gripe is that Sylar survived - I really think he should have died. I didn't much like him as a villian - Mrs. Pettrelli makes a far better villian, and we have the new villian coming up in chapter two, the man who looks back at Molly when she finds him. Seems like he'll have some sort of ability that lets him redirect other people's abilities in some way, though that sounds far too much like Sylar/Peter.
Daganev2007-05-22 19:08:40
QUOTE(Shorlen @ May 22 2007, 11:56 AM) 410851
I still think that Ted was immune to his own power. I mean, exploding, even minorly, like he did all the time never harmed him in the slightest. It thus stands to reason that Peter wasn't hurt by the explosion. Saving the cheerleader didn't save the world by giving him the power to regenerate, but by giving his brother a reason to sacrifice himself to save the city.
Now, the real question is..... couldn't Peter just fly on his own? Why did he need Nathan to carry him into the atmosphere? And doesn't the fallout from a nuclear explosion in the atmosphwere cause severe cases of radiation poisoning and death to everyone in a large radius?
Ignoring those technicalities though, I loved the final episode. It was really well done. My only minor gripe is that Sylar survived - I really think he should have died. I didn't much like him as a villian - Mrs. Pettrelli makes a far better villian, and we have the new villian coming up in chapter two, the man who looks back at Molly when she finds him. Seems like he'll have some sort of ability that lets him redirect other people's abilities in some way, though that sounds far too much like Sylar/Peter.
Now, the real question is..... couldn't Peter just fly on his own? Why did he need Nathan to carry him into the atmosphere? And doesn't the fallout from a nuclear explosion in the atmosphwere cause severe cases of radiation poisoning and death to everyone in a large radius?
Ignoring those technicalities though, I loved the final episode. It was really well done. My only minor gripe is that Sylar survived - I really think he should have died. I didn't much like him as a villian - Mrs. Pettrelli makes a far better villian, and we have the new villian coming up in chapter two, the man who looks back at Molly when she finds him. Seems like he'll have some sort of ability that lets him redirect other people's abilities in some way, though that sounds far too much like Sylar/Peter.
I think Peter couldn't fly because he has to focus and think about people to use the ability, and he was spending too much thinking and effort to keep himself from exploiding. hence the on his knees part.
Oh, and I LOVED how Linderman got killed, that was awesome
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Vix2007-05-22 19:19:52
Screw blacking it out. If someone's made it to this page after that last page of blacking out, then they've already seen the episode.
Peter will definitely survive his explosion. In the future, he admitted he was the cause of the explosion, not Sylar, and he was obviously still alive. That's point enough. Also, Sylar should definitely have died. Television Rule Number 2: No one ever truly dies. Ever.
Peter will definitely survive his explosion. In the future, he admitted he was the cause of the explosion, not Sylar, and he was obviously still alive. That's point enough. Also, Sylar should definitely have died. Television Rule Number 2: No one ever truly dies. Ever.
Daganev2007-05-22 20:37:02
QUOTE(Vix @ May 22 2007, 12:19 PM) 410857
Screw blacking it out. If someone's made it to this page after that last page of blacking out, then they've already seen the episode.
Peter will definitely survive his explosion. In the future, he admitted he was the cause of the explosion, not Sylar, and he was obviously still alive. That's point enough. Also, Sylar should definitely have died. Television Rule Number 2: No one ever truly dies. Ever.
Peter will definitely survive his explosion. In the future, he admitted he was the cause of the explosion, not Sylar, and he was obviously still alive. That's point enough. Also, Sylar should definitely have died. Television Rule Number 2: No one ever truly dies. Ever.
If Sylar is not dead, I'd like to understand what the flashing of his eyes was all about. Only reason Sylar didn't die "in the future" is because he had the cheerleader's regeneration abilities, but he doesn't have anything like that now.
Noola2007-05-22 20:41:08
QUOTE(daganev @ May 22 2007, 03:37 PM) 410868
If Sylar is not dead, I'd like to understand what the flashing of his eyes was all about. Only reason Sylar didn't die "in the future" is because he had the cheerleader's regeneration abilities, but he doesn't have anything like that now.
I think that's why he just lay there for so long... I think the pain knocked him right into a vision and he was so wrapped up with it that he just sorta lay there and everyone figured he was dead. No one checked after all. Then, when he came out of it, he crawled away.
Daganev2007-05-22 20:42:56
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 01:41 PM) 410871
I think that's why he just lay there for so long... I think the pain knocked him right into a vision and he was so wrapped up with it that he just sorta lay there and everyone figured he was dead. No one checked after all. Then, when he came out of it, he crawled away.
but the images in his eyes was a portrait of everybody he had killed up until then, and then the last image was himself...
Also, he doesn't have to crawl away, he can dissapear in plain sight... somehow. Still not sure how he did /does that.
Noola2007-05-22 20:46:28
QUOTE(daganev @ May 22 2007, 03:42 PM) 410872
but the images in his eyes was a portrait of everybody he had killed up until then, and then the last image was himself...
Also, he doesn't have to crawl away, he can dissapear in plain sight... somehow. Still not sure how he did /does that.
Also, he doesn't have to crawl away, he can dissapear in plain sight... somehow. Still not sure how he did /does that.
But he did crawl away. Into the sewer.
And I don't think he actually was hiding in plain sight as in he was invisible... he's moved super quick from one spot to another in other episodes, folks turn around and suddenly there he is kind of thing. I think that's what happened there. He'd been in the square, out of sight and just popped out at the opportune time.
Daganev2007-05-22 20:49:01
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 01:46 PM) 410874
But he did crawl away. Into the sewer.
And I don't think he actually was hiding in plain sight as in he was invisible... he's moved super quick from one spot to another in other episodes, folks turn around and suddenly there he is kind of thing. I think that's what happened there. He'd been in the square, out of sight and just popped out at the opportune time.
And I don't think he actually was hiding in plain sight as in he was invisible... he's moved super quick from one spot to another in other episodes, folks turn around and suddenly there he is kind of thing. I think that's what happened there. He'd been in the square, out of sight and just popped out at the opportune time.
I don't think that is the case.
I'll have to go look it up.
However, its also possible that he was -dragged- into the sewers, and did not crawl on his own. Which is what the blood stains implied.
Noola2007-05-22 20:50:49
QUOTE(daganev @ May 22 2007, 03:49 PM) 410877
I don't think that is the case.
I'll have to go look it up.
However, its also possible that he was -dragged- into the sewers, and did not crawl on his own. Which is what the blood stains implied.
I'll have to go look it up.
However, its also possible that he was -dragged- into the sewers, and did not crawl on his own. Which is what the blood stains implied.
Well, sure, that's possible. But whether he crawled or was dragged away, I don't think we've seen the last of him.
Daganev2007-05-22 21:36:47
Ok, was reading the hero's forums... apaprnetly the cockroaches are always seen when Sylar appears "dead" so the cockraoch is sylar not the new badguy who people on the forums are calling Ulurru or something.
Noola2007-05-22 21:46:30
QUOTE(daganev @ May 22 2007, 04:36 PM) 410891
Ok, was reading the hero's forums... apaprnetly the cockroaches are always seen when Sylar appears "dead" so the cockraoch is sylar not the new badguy who people on the forums are calling Ulurru or something.
Where'd they get Ulurru from??
Daganev2007-05-22 21:59:20
QUOTE(Noola @ May 22 2007, 02:46 PM) 410895
Where'd they get Ulurru from??
The name on the comic book Micah was reading while "trapped"
Something like the Great Ulurru! Terrible, invicible powers! or something. Its too speculative for me to look up the details on it.