Heroes

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Xenthos2007-10-16 02:06:50
Love the new power. Wonder if it only works for "realistic" things, or if something special would happen if she watched Superman. Also: I shudder to thing of Silar with that "Instadeath to everyone around him" power.
Shiri2007-10-16 02:14:22
Ooh...new episode today. Gonna have to avoid this thread till the download finishes. :(

BTW, Xavius, that NBC site doesn't work for me because I'm in England. I can only view episodes that've been released here.
Noola2007-10-16 02:17:49
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Oct 15 2007, 09:06 PM) 450069
Love the new power. Wonder if it only works for "realistic" things, or if something special would happen if she watched Superman. Also: I shudder to thing of Silar with that "Instadeath to everyone around him" power.


The new power is indeed really cool. Does anyone else not trust Claire's new boyfriend? I totally don't. I think he's a plant. Also, every time I watch him fly I think, "You know... Claire's birth dad can fly too... And he's had at least one illegitimate child..." Then I think of them kissing and it brings to mind Princess Leah kissing Luke in Star Wars.
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Xinael2007-10-16 04:12:37
Noola: Yes. Ick.

Xenthos: Depends whether or not it's just TV. Could just be a "learning things from very little input" power, in which case that's not going to help - it's not something you can learn. Imagine if she got her hands on Wikipedia!

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Also, MATT'S DAD! OMG!!!!11111oeneoneone!
Unknown2007-10-16 05:59:21
That one girl's power just seems like another copy ability like Hiro's almost-girlfriend Charlie, only possibly with more physical inclinations.

Also, I read in a blog somewhere that originally, Sylar and Candice were supposed to have their own arc initially, but since the first actress for Candice had to quit, they just killed her off. So yes, Candice really is dead.

I also thought it was kind of a bummer that Sylar lost all of his powers, I hope he'd get them back soon instead of having to start over. Seem Deus Ex Machina-ey to me.
Xinael2007-10-16 06:03:55
QUOTE(Sojiro @ Oct 16 2007, 06:59 AM) 450168
I also thought it was kind of a bummer that Sylar lost all of his powers, I hope he'd get them back soon instead of having to start over. Seem Deus Ex Machina-ey to me.

But it seems like he can't start over again either. There's definitely more to his situation than him getting too powerful and the writers pushing the reset button.
Richter2007-10-16 07:04:34
It feels to me like the episodes are more disjointed than least season. Maybe because I watched season 1 all at once, but the storylines seem greater in number, and all over the place.
Shiri2007-10-16 07:11:15
Yeah, that's definitely because you watched the whole season at once. I find myself thinking that with anime all the time. I forget details between weeks that I don't between hours.
Shiri2007-10-16 10:54:31
Ok, now that I've seen it:
That episode was cool. Does Matt's Dad trap people in their own minds or something? Phantasms? Maybe he can sense mental presences too. And since Molly was scrying him he locked her up from a distance. He could've been the one that attacked Nathan and Peter's mum too. The way it trailed off at the end with Molly screaming while unconscious was awesome.
Xinael2007-10-16 12:41:57
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 11:54 AM) 450212
He could've been the one that attacked Nathan and Peter's mum too.

That was the strong implication - symbol between their eyes in the photos, symbol between his in the paintings Molly did.


As for everything else you said: yes.
Shiri2007-10-16 12:48:52
QUOTE(Xinael @ Oct 16 2007, 01:41 PM) 450225
That was the strong implication - symbol between their eyes in the photos, symbol between his in the paintings Molly did.


As for everything else you said: yes.


Isn't that symbol common to a lot of stuff in heroes? The "single helix"? It's been all over the first series, so while it does imply a connection to the whole mutant thing (which was obvious) I don't think it's specifically a reason on its own to believe what I suggested. Or am I thinking of something else?


And if you're British, how come you managed to watch it so fast after it was released in America, btw? *peer* I had to spend a few hours downloading it off a torrent...

Also, Sojiro and I were discussing this earlier - does anyone find it cheesy that Peter, whose powers are supposed to be based on remembering the people he met and his emotions, retains everything through an amnesia attack, and Sylar, whose powers are based on understanding how things work, loses it through a chest injury? Seems kind of backwards...plothole or something they're likely to explain satisfactorily later?
Unknown2007-10-16 12:51:51
QUOTE(Xinael @ Oct 16 2007, 07:41 AM) 450225
That was the strong implication - symbol between their eyes in the photos, symbol between his in the paintings Molly did.


As for everything else you said: yes.


I don't think he was. It was not just one person who was attacking them; they are up against a group of "others." For example, when Hiro's dad was killed, he said something about "out of all of them, I didn't think they would send you" - I don't think that was Parkman's dad, since whoever it was could apparently fly; he seemed to smash Hiro's dad into the ground and then disappear unharmed. I expect that 'they' are the people like Peter who absorb the powers of the people around them, and that Peter is actually the one who killed him. There are apparently others like him; the invisible guy was familiar with them. I expect there is some group of them that is for some reason unhappy with the original 9 and they are killing them off. Peter obviously doesn't remember it, but my guess is that he killed Hiro's dad; I don't think he is the one that attacked his mom, though.
Shiri2007-10-16 12:53:27
Why would you think Peter attacked Hiro's dad? I don't think they've even met. Besides, that guy knew what he was doing. Plus he's not in anything to be "sent." blink.gif
Unknown2007-10-16 12:57:29
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Also, Sojiro and I were discussing this earlier - does anyone find it cheesy that Peter, whose powers are supposed to be based on remembering the people he met and his emotions, retains everything through an amnesia attack, and Sylar, whose powers are based on understanding how things work, loses it through a chest injury? Seems kind of backwards...plothole or something they're likely to explain satisfactorily later?


Actually, it makes sense that Peter should remember everything. The radiation guy never hurt himself in the process of blowing up, he just hurt everyone else. Peter should have come out completely unscathed - except, someone (my theory above?) caught him and did something else with him. We don't know for sure what happened to his memory, but I doubt it had anything to do with an attack. Always before he pulled out his powers accidentally, not by remembering a person specifically but by having need of the power and drawing it by instinct - like when he stopped the invisible guy's stick on the roof top, even though he hated Silar and couldn't specifically remember him until he thought about it for a minute.


QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 07:53 AM) 450230
Why would you think Peter attacked Hiro's dad? I don't think they've even met. Besides, that guy knew what he was doing. Plus he's not in anything to be "sent." blink.gif


What makes you think he's not in anything to be sent? Something happened to him after exploding - he obviously didn't hurt himself, but someone got ahold of him, and he ended up tied up in a box. Who could have left him there, and what could he have been doing in the meantime? I am guessing that the other people like him had him in the meantime, and erased his memory to use him again later or something like that. That is my wild guess for the moment, anyway!
Shiri2007-10-16 12:58:56
True, there was that one girl with "suggestion" that Sylar killed in the first season...I guess there's more than one secret society (other than the paper company or whatever it was.)
Xinael2007-10-16 13:00:16
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 01:48 PM) 450228
if you're British, how come you managed to watch it so fast after it was released in America?

Heroes finishes at 3am. It takes about 20 minutes for it to be encoded and uploaded, then about another 10-15 for me to download it (that late at night, I've got no contention and get 700k/sec or more). Another 44 for me to watch it brings us to no later than 4:30.

QUOTE(mitbulls @ Oct 16 2007, 01:51 PM) 450229
whoever it was could apparently fly

Assuming that there was a real, physical person there, which isn't clear. Angela was clearly under some kind of mental attack - probably from him. It's not much of a leap for him to have killed Nakamura as well.
Shiri2007-10-16 13:02:41
QUOTE(Xinael @ Oct 16 2007, 02:00 PM) 450233
Heroes finishes at 3am. It takes about 20 minutes for it to be encoded and uploaded, then about another 10-15 for me to download it (that late at night, I've got no contention and get 700k/sec or more). Another 44 for me to watch it brings us to no later than 4:30.

Damn. Where do you get it? I generally get a torrent...
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Assuming that there was a real, physical person there, which isn't clear. Angela was clearly under some kind of mental attack - probably from him. It's not much of a leap for him to have killed Nakamura as well.

I think it has to have been a real, physical person, or at least a physical projection of some kind, because Ando saw him, and he got bodily knocked off the edge of that balcony. I don't think you can fall off a balcony that height, it was nearly chest height wasn't it? And he certainly -looked- like he got tackled off.
Unknown2007-10-16 13:02:52
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 07:58 AM) 450232
True, there was that one girl with "suggestion" that Sylar killed in the first season...I guess there's more than one secret society (other than the paper company or whatever it was.)


I agree. There's also the related question of who the illusions girl (Michelle/etc) was working for when she captured Silar. She was on the run from police and changed her form and everything, so I always assumed it wasn't "The Company" but I don't really know.


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I think it has to have been a real, physical person, or at least a physical projection of some kind, because Ando saw him, and he got bodily knocked off the edge of that balcony. I don't think you can fall off a balcony that height, it was nearly chest height wasn't it? And he certainly -looked- like he got tackled off.


Not to mention the scratches and scars on Peter's mom's face. I think there was someone physically there, but it must have been someone invisible, or someone who could escape quickly.
Noola2007-10-16 13:07:04
QUOTE(Xinael @ Oct 16 2007, 08:00 AM) 450233
Assuming that there was a real, physical person there, which isn't clear. Angela was clearly under some kind of mental attack - probably from him. It's not much of a leap for him to have killed Nakamura as well.



Yeah, I forget, but did anybody actually see a person kill Nakamura? A 'mental attacker' could easily have entered his mind and forced him to jump, just like one forced Angela to hurt herself (as her wounds were apparently self inflicted). I'm firmly in the 'it's Matt's Dad' camp on this one.
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QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 08:02 AM) 450234
because Ando saw him


Did he? I don't remember that... but then I'm not perfect memory girl or anything. But still... I'm still leaning towards some sort of mental attack. Astral projectection sort of thing maybe? I just really think it's Matt's dad and I really don't think it was Peter.
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Unknown2007-10-16 13:10:29
QUOTE(Noola @ Oct 16 2007, 08:07 AM) 450236
Yeah, I forget, but did anybody actually see a person kill Nakamura? A 'mental attacker' could easily have entered his mind and forced him to jump, just like one forced Angela to hurt herself (as her wounds were apparently self inflicted). I'm firmly in the 'it's Matt's Dad' camp on this one.
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How did Ando see him? And Nakamura wanted a sword to fight him with; wouldn't have done much good against a mind assault.