Noola2007-10-16 13:13:52
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Oct 16 2007, 08:10 AM) 450237
How did Ando see him? And Nakamura wanted a sword to fight him with; wouldn't have done much good against a mind assault.
I always sort of thought that sending Ando to get a sword was just his way of getting the well-meaning kid out of harm's way myself.
Saran2007-10-16 13:28:45
Another possibility is that the person had already killed nakamura and knew that ando would be back, making ando believe he saw the mysterious attacker
Shiri2007-10-16 13:33:47
QUOTE(Saran @ Oct 16 2007, 02:28 PM) 450241
Another possibility is that the person had already killed nakamura and knew that ando would be back, making ando believe he saw the mysterious attacker
That seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
Noola2007-10-16 13:34:56
And it seems to me that whoever it is (Matt's dad!!) wants it to be clear that these people are being murdered - assinated even. So, simply entering his mind and making him jump, well, that could look too much like suicide. So, there had to be 'somebody' pushing him off.
Course we could all be wrong and it's a mysterious new person all along. Only time (and more episodes!) will tell.
Saran2007-10-16 13:38:17
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 11:33 PM) 450243
That seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
Also could depend on how the power works if they need proximity then ando could have run into him but the false memory covered it up (we wouldn't have seen that for story telling reasons)
Noola also has a good point too
Noola also has a good point too
Unknown2007-10-16 13:48:15
All of that seems too complicated just to hold on to the idea that it was Matt's dad! I think earlier episodes suggested that there was a group of people who disagreed with the originals. At the very least, it is not only Matt's dad, that much seems clear.
EDIT:
On a completely unrelated note, I think the little girl is going to have to die eventually. Parkman and Suresh have to be free to go chasing their goals around the world, so the girl will either die or be kidnapped or sent off or something to let the plot progress. That, or she'll buck up and start fighting and things on her own, but I doubt that...
Shiri2007-10-16 13:53:49
Come to think of it, since it now seems clear that Molly complaining about "boogeymen" in the first series referred to Matt's dad and not Sylar, why was she looking for him in the first place? Who directed her to do that?
EDIT: First series, not first game, wtf am I on about.
Saran2007-10-16 13:58:48
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 11:53 PM) 450248
Come to think of it, since it now seems clear that Molly complaining about "boogeymen" in the first series referred to Matt's dad and not Sylar, why was she looking for him in the first place? Who directed her to do that?
EDIT: First series, not first game, wtf am I on about.
err *whispers to nejii* She stated as much soon after we learned about her power in season one
Shiri2007-10-16 14:01:57
What? What specifically are you referring to? I think you misread me.
Saran2007-10-16 14:07:11
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 17 2007, 12:01 AM) 450251
What? What specifically are you referring to? I think you misread me.
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 16 2007, 11:53 PM) 450248
Come to think of it, since it now seems clear that Molly complaining about "boogeymen" in the first series referred to Matt's dad and not Sylar, why was she looking for him in the first place? Who directed her to do that?
EDIT: First series, not first game, wtf am I on about.
She was asked to find sylar and thats when we learned about the person who scared her more, the "boogeyman"
Shiri2007-10-16 14:13:56
Yes, I know that. But Matt's dad wasn't even brought up at the time, so of course it wasn't clear that it was him. Anyway, why was she looking for Matt's dad, is the question? I don't think she can just have "accidentally found him" and then he looked back at her, or at least it seems more unlikely than that she was asked to look for him for a specific reason.
Saran2007-10-16 14:18:29
QUOTE(Shiri @ Oct 17 2007, 12:13 AM) 450254
Yes, I know that. But Matt's dad wasn't even brought up at the time, so of course it wasn't clear that it was him. Anyway, why was she looking for Matt's dad, is the question? I don't think she can just have "accidentally found him" and then he looked back at her, or at least it seems more unlikely than that she was asked to look for him for a specific reason.
I understand that that question still remains, just saying that we knew that syler wasn't the boogeyman
Also I'm beginning to wonder if her ability is some mesh of near astral projection and scrying, just from how it was displayed as her journeying toward matts dad and as she got closer he picked up on her, which if true allows for possibilities such as she was looking for someone near him and he sensed her.
Also I'm beginning to wonder if her ability is some mesh of near astral projection and scrying, just from how it was displayed as her journeying toward matts dad and as she got closer he picked up on her, which if true allows for possibilities such as she was looking for someone near him and he sensed her.
Daganev2007-10-16 15:17:37
Your theories are starting to frustrate me
1. You were wrong about sylar, so why do you think in this case you might be right? (i.e. the show doesn't really try to trick the viewers all that much, or say that something is real when it is not.) What you see is what happened.
2. The Hatian takes away people's memories.
3. The inivislbe man who helped peter, was one of the original company men.
4. Watch it again, there is no astral projection. Where are you even coming up with this?
5. Don't forget there is a period of 4 months between Peter exploding, and what you see happening now. Everything that you see happening now (except for Hiro) is happenings 4 months after Peter exploded, unless it specifically says otherwise.
Anyone notice the traintrack music, whenever clair has to make a decisions, like she is a "crossing"? Or the watch ticking music whenever Sylar is about to kill someone? And whats up with the cockroach?
1. You were wrong about sylar, so why do you think in this case you might be right? (i.e. the show doesn't really try to trick the viewers all that much, or say that something is real when it is not.) What you see is what happened.
2. The Hatian takes away people's memories.
3. The inivislbe man who helped peter, was one of the original company men.
4. Watch it again, there is no astral projection. Where are you even coming up with this?
5. Don't forget there is a period of 4 months between Peter exploding, and what you see happening now. Everything that you see happening now (except for Hiro) is happenings 4 months after Peter exploded, unless it specifically says otherwise.
Anyone notice the traintrack music, whenever clair has to make a decisions, like she is a "crossing"? Or the watch ticking music whenever Sylar is about to kill someone? And whats up with the cockroach?
Saran2007-10-16 15:47:34
QUOTE(daganev @ Oct 17 2007, 01:17 AM) 450262
Your theories are starting to frustrate me
1. You were wrong about sylar, so why do you think in this case you might be right? (i.e. the show doesn't really try to trick the viewers all that much, or say that something is real when it is not.) What you see is what happened.
2. The Hatian takes away people's memories.
3. The inivislbe man who helped peter, was one of the original company men.
4. Watch it again, there is no astral projection. Where are you even coming up with this?
5. Don't forget there is a period of 4 months between Peter exploding, and what you see happening now. Everything that you see happening now (except for Hiro) is happenings 4 months after Peter exploded, unless it specifically says otherwise.
Anyone notice the traintrack music, whenever clair has to make a decisions, like she is a "crossing"? Or the watch ticking music whenever Sylar is about to kill someone? And whats up with the cockroach?
1. You were wrong about sylar, so why do you think in this case you might be right? (i.e. the show doesn't really try to trick the viewers all that much, or say that something is real when it is not.) What you see is what happened.
2. The Hatian takes away people's memories.
3. The inivislbe man who helped peter, was one of the original company men.
4. Watch it again, there is no astral projection. Where are you even coming up with this?
5. Don't forget there is a period of 4 months between Peter exploding, and what you see happening now. Everything that you see happening now (except for Hiro) is happenings 4 months after Peter exploded, unless it specifically says otherwise.
Anyone notice the traintrack music, whenever clair has to make a decisions, like she is a "crossing"? Or the watch ticking music whenever Sylar is about to kill someone? And whats up with the cockroach?
For most of these it just meh it's fun to talk about the possibilities it doesn't matter wether they are true or not, for example omg everyone who thought candice died was wrong "oh noes!" and the show let it's viewers believe that. I never expect to be right I just expect to open my mind and let it wander to see what possibilities I could find.
I just threw the ando thing out there, in a story if you knew the entire time that what ando saw was just a planted memory then the reveal would be a bit "...and?" while the characters are going "omg". It's like right now, you believe that someone was physically there and don't agree with other possibilities, it may be true and quite probably is, however in a world with superpowered people thing can happen. (You could also reference Nikki/Jessica at the start of the season until Nikki found out I don't remember knowing about her alter ego)
however
1.
My only reasoning behind Sylar being manipulated by Candice is that it seems like something that Candices employers may have been attempting, they want him alive obviously but they don't want to lock him down like they have before. One possibility was yes they were using her illusions to manipulate him, I was wrong and I don't care. A hole in the theory obviously was Candice appearing fat when she was dead but sylar commented on her hiding herself and probably expected that along with 'sif kill someone twice only to have them faking it
2. Planting is different to taking
3. Cool so maybe it was him, however if that is what you believe then things such as how he survived come into question.
4. I wasn't actually suggesting that, just that a possible explanation is that she somehow has a presence that can be sensed and that this person has some ability to sense that presence when it comes into close proximity or focus to them. Astral projection that was just a term that popped into my mind while trying to explain my thought.
5. Umn k?
One of my friends commented that sylars theme music is only played when he is about to attack a hero but I can't be bothered checking, I think it's just his suspense builing music but they could have something there.
Xinael2007-10-16 16:31:16
mitbulls: You don't know that the sword wouldn't have helped. Hiro "couldn't" use his powers for a long time in the first series because he didn't have Kensei's sword.
I think it's more likely to have been a projected person (there's no reason why Ando couldn't see it too) simply because you don't hear a person flying away and, shocked though he may have been, Ando isn't thick enough to miss something like a flying person.
Also, you're clearly wrong about the show saying when something is real and when it's not, daganev. The whole Candice character puts the lie to that.
I think it's more likely to have been a projected person (there's no reason why Ando couldn't see it too) simply because you don't hear a person flying away and, shocked though he may have been, Ando isn't thick enough to miss something like a flying person.
Also, you're clearly wrong about the show saying when something is real and when it's not, daganev. The whole Candice character puts the lie to that.
Noola2007-10-16 16:39:40
QUOTE(daganev @ Oct 16 2007, 10:17 AM) 450262
And whats up with the cockroach?
Yeah, I asked that very same question last night. "What's up with that cockroach??" (right after I said "Eww! Cockroach!" anyway.
) Also, I had thought that the clockwork sound was kind of a representation of Sylar sizing up someone's power and seeing 'how it works' just prior to consuming it. However, this completely random dude he killed with a brick didn't have any power and Sylar didn't consume anything from him, I don't think, so maybe it's just his own personal "Sylar's crazy" music.
Xinael2007-10-16 17:04:57
The ticking's just part of Sylar's theme music. It played all the time in the first series - the episode when you see him not crazy and the one when he goes to see his mum especially.
Unknown2007-10-16 19:10:13
I love the ticking music, it's badass.
Also, for being the boogeyman, it's a bit disappointing to see that this villain is a middle-aged fatguy who probably has a beergut.
Also, unsure of what to make of Nathan's vision of seeing half of himself scarred.
Also, unsure of what to make of Nathan's vision of seeing half of himself scarred.
Noola2007-10-16 19:22:09
QUOTE(Sojiro @ Oct 16 2007, 02:10 PM) 450382
Also, for being the boogeyman, it's a bit disappointing to see that this villain is a middle-aged fatguy who probably has a beergut.
I wonder if it's gonna turn out that he's like an invalid or something.
Xinael2007-10-16 19:35:23
QUOTE(Sojiro @ Oct 16 2007, 08:10 PM) 450382
Also, for being the boogeyman, it's a bit disappointing to see that this villain is a middle-aged fatguy who probably has a beergut.
Have you seen series 1 of Prison Break? One of my favourite characters in that is the unkempt, innocuous guy who breaks Paul's finger when he gives him lip. The fact that he doesn't look dangerous just makes him more sinister.