Lucan2007-05-17 10:57:39
QUOTE(Verithrax @ May 15 2007, 08:30 PM) 408192
Except Viscanti aren't a race but a big mishmash of races; it's been explicitly said that they're mutants with widely differing features. But if I made a trill with a catlike, furry tail, would you accept that? How about dracnari with feathers (They're evolving!)? What about an aslaran that emotes breathing fire every once in a while?
It's called inventive roleplay. Lucan happens to be half Trill, and yes, I know the Dracnari don't RECOGNIZE halfbreeds, but that doesn't mean they can't have features in common with other races as well. Not to mention that some Dracnari may have feathers due to being bonded with Crow.
Now quit being a description Nazi and do something productive, like whine about how Bards are crap and yet they're putting in a new archetype.
EDIT: And about the red eyes thing, the one drawn in the official pic has green eyes.
Noola2007-05-17 11:14:30
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 05:57 AM) 408949
It's called inventive roleplay. Lucan happens to be half Trill, and yes, I know the Dracnari don't RECOGNIZE halfbreeds, but that doesn't mean they can't have features in common with other races as well. Not to mention that some Dracnari may have feathers due to being bonded with Crow.
Now quit being a description Nazi and do something productive, like whine about how Bards are crap and yet they're putting in a new archetype.
EDIT: And about the red eyes thing, the one drawn in the official pic has green eyes.
Now quit being a description Nazi and do something productive, like whine about how Bards are crap and yet they're putting in a new archetype.
EDIT: And about the red eyes thing, the one drawn in the official pic has green eyes.
Well, technicaly, neither the Trill nor Dracnari side could have been pure when they got together, they'd both have to be part human for the Trill and Dracnari to even be able to produce a kid - and probably a large portion of human at that cause Humans are the only species that can reproduce with everyone. So, he wouldn't really be a 'halfbreed' more like a 'tri-breed' or something.
Lucan2007-05-17 11:19:42
QUOTE(Noola @ May 17 2007, 07:14 AM) 408951
Well, technicaly, neither the Trill nor Dracnari side could have been pure when they got together, they'd both have to be part human for the Trill and Dracnari to even be able to produce a kid - and probably a large portion of human at that cause Humans are the only species that can reproduce with everyone. So, he wouldn't really be a 'halfbreed' more like a 'tri-breed' or something.
Good point, Everiine I believe did say that he was half human, so Lucan is technically 1/2 Dracnari, 1/4 Trill and 1/4 Human. However, that is extremely cumbersome to explain, so for brevity's sake (and the sake of my own personal sanity) he is half Trill and half Dracnari. Trill are basically just humans with wings and feathers anyway.
Saran2007-05-17 12:29:11
It is sad that I have to agree with Verithrax, very sad.
The closest I could see Illithoid getting to tendrils is if you had a half human with dreadlocks. The problem is right now it doesn't make any sense for Illithoid to have any non-illithoid traits especially those that are fresh from the portal as the illithoid haven't even really had a chance to have children with anyone outside the undervault.
As for having traits that don't make sense, it's just lame. For example faelings have butterfly wings or bat wings if they are shadow faelings, you might be able to explain certain unique features as their fae heritage but then it's likely you'd want to draw features from the fae we already know about.
Sarans description, for example
The bolded parts are things that aren't natural, they are the result of me using certain skills that alter my appearance, as such these unusual features make sense. When you start trying to claim that as a member of any you always have a nice rack of antlers, while being a follower of crow, something is wrong just like the tendrils
The closest I could see Illithoid getting to tendrils is if you had a half human with dreadlocks. The problem is right now it doesn't make any sense for Illithoid to have any non-illithoid traits especially those that are fresh from the portal as the illithoid haven't even really had a chance to have children with anyone outside the undervault.
As for having traits that don't make sense, it's just lame. For example faelings have butterfly wings or bat wings if they are shadow faelings, you might be able to explain certain unique features as their fae heritage but then it's likely you'd want to draw features from the fae we already know about.
Sarans description, for example
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He is a nimble faeling with antlers and stands tall, despite keeping the otherwise diminuitive build that is typical of his race. Rich brown hair has been kept long and bound tight behind his head, kept away from a gentle face and slim shoulders. His eyes are a soft brown and characteristically almond shaped, framed by ears that sweep back into gentle points. Faintly tinted green, his skin is additionally speckled with darker spots that appear upon his cheeks and limbs in haphazard patterns. Delicate wings of pale rainbow hues sprout from his back, enabling him to easily keep aflutter. His face is painted with rays of sunshine and blue lightning bolts.
The bolded parts are things that aren't natural, they are the result of me using certain skills that alter my appearance, as such these unusual features make sense. When you start trying to claim that as a member of any you always have a nice rack of antlers, while being a follower of crow, something is wrong just like the tendrils
Ashteru2007-05-17 12:38:23
Dude, stop trying to dictate people how to look. It's silly. You can have tendrils or whatever you want, in my oppinion. Mutations happen. Mutations happen for humans too. So, urr, I don't see any problem with people looking a bit special. I am fine with looking like a typical Tae'dae. But if people want to have one special trait, just leave them alone.
Amarysse2007-05-17 14:05:41
QUOTE(Saran @ May 17 2007, 07:29 AM) 408961
When you start trying to claim that as a member of any you always have a nice rack of antlers, while being a follower of crow, something is wrong just like the tendrils
One of the best roleplayers I know in Lusternia has precisely that feature. To my understanding, it began with an assumption based on the racial art for faelings (which depict the race as having antlers), and later became an integral part of the character with an interesting story that seems to go beyond the easy "obscure parentage" road.
I'm less likely to grumble about inconsistencies in a person's description if they aren't lewd (anything that explicitly mentions mammaries or genitalia), immature (a broad category that encompasses everything from DBZ/Final Fantasy mimicry to expounding at length about how cool/scary/amazingly hot they are), or over-informative (explaining the person's history, describing their personality, dictating people's reactions, etc.).
In my opinion, these little variations (and sometimes more serious ones), are forgivable and even engaging if the person in question can carry it off. The faeling in question in this particular case has done so admirably; a dracnari spouting scented golden dragon's milk from her chest has not.
Saran2007-05-17 14:12:16
QUOTE(Amarysse @ May 18 2007, 12:05 AM) 408971
One of the best roleplayers I know in Lusternia has precisely that feature. To my understanding, it began with an assumption based on the racial art for faelings (which depict the race as having antlers), and later became an integral part of the character with an interesting story that seems to go beyond the easy "obscure parentage" road.
Hum perhaps, though I've always thought of that faeling as just a stagfomed druid with the cudgel and sickle
Amarysse2007-05-17 14:29:19
QUOTE(Saran @ May 17 2007, 09:12 AM) 408974
Hum perhaps, though I've always thought of that faeling as just a stagfomed druid with the cudgel and sickle
Right, and that's the informed answer. As a new player, though, I made the same mistake. Most people won't automatically assume that an illustration of a race is also depicting a specific class or ability; I certainly didn't. Knowing nothing about the game, I wouldn't think, "Oh, that's a Faeling druid in stagform!" or, "That Elfen must be a Moondancer."
Saran2007-05-17 14:41:00
QUOTE(Amarysse @ May 18 2007, 12:29 AM) 408979
Right, and that's the informed answer. As a new player, though, I made the same mistake. Most people won't automatically assume that an illustration of a race is also depicting a specific class or ability; I certainly didn't. Knowing nothing about the game, I wouldn't think, "Oh, that's a Faeling druid in stagform!" or, "That Elfen must be a Moondancer."
heh the elfen could just be wiccan, the difference is that the other racial pics don't really have anything in them that isn't a normal part of their races appearance. (though some merian might attempt to create spheres of water around their hands:P) though the picture is cool regardless
Ashteru2007-05-17 14:43:16
QUOTE(Saran @ May 17 2007, 02:41 PM) 408985
heh the elfen could just be wiccan, the difference is that the other racial pics don't really have anything in them that isn't a normal part of their races appearance. (though some merian might attempt to create spheres of water around their hands:P) though the picture is cool regardless
What, you mean all Krokani and Tae'dae got giant bonecrusher weapons, and all Mugwumps got cauldrons?
Saran2007-05-17 15:00:25
QUOTE(Ashteru @ May 18 2007, 12:43 AM) 408987
What, you mean all Krokani and Tae'dae got giant bonecrusher weapons, and all Mugwumps got cauldrons?
I know you know what I mean anyway. It is nice to see people work with the descriptions of the races and come up with something that's their style. But unless you really want to play it out or something it kinda ruins it a little, like a trill with hair who states they are pure-blood trill without having a fun "I'm ashamed of my human parentage so refuse to admit I have them"
I just want these people who are comming up with these unique traits to have some concept about why they have them and work it into their character a little such as the haired trill above who refuses to admit anything other than pure-blood for personal reasons
Amarysse2007-05-17 16:08:21
QUOTE(Saran @ May 17 2007, 10:00 AM) 409001
I know you know what I mean anyway. It is nice to see people work with the descriptions of the races and come up with something that's their style. But unless you really want to play it out or something it kinda ruins it a little, like a trill with hair who states they are pure-blood trill without having a fun "I'm ashamed of my human parentage so refuse to admit I have them"
I just want these people who are comming up with these unique traits to have some concept about why they have them and work it into their character a little such as the haired trill above who refuses to admit anything other than pure-blood for personal reasons
I just want these people who are comming up with these unique traits to have some concept about why they have them and work it into their character a little such as the haired trill above who refuses to admit anything other than pure-blood for personal reasons
I'm actually on the same page with you, there. It's just a personal preference, though, because although I'd love it if everyone could even loosely follow some sort of guideline, I'm practical enough to realize it'll never happen across the board. There are always going to be people who (apologies to Ashteru) are of the mindset that "It's a mutation" or "Because I say so! Nyah!" is enough to create an immersive roleplay environment...
...Then again, there are always going to be people in said environment who have no desire to contribute to the RP atmosphere.
I'm not going to complain too much about nodules or bone spurs or whatnot on an Illithoid's head, but much more than that is stretching the bounds of credibility without a damned good story and consistent roleplay.
Verithrax2007-05-17 16:20:40
Mutations happen, so can I make a human with sixteen eyeballs, a tentacle for a left arm and a single rhino horn on his forehead?
Lucan2007-05-17 16:45:13
QUOTE(Verithrax @ May 17 2007, 12:20 PM) 409037
Mutations happen, so can I make a human with sixteen eyeballs, a tentacle for a left arm and a single rhino horn on his forehead?
I don't recall anyone claiming such a drastic mutation out of the blue in this thread. Most of the people who have said they have experience with extra or different "things" on their charas are the result of genetics, from what I've seen. I could be seeing wrong though. I often do.
Oh, and Dsiri, the desc is fine. Like I told you earlier, you shouldn't have to change it just because of some description Nazi who, may I add, is NOT an admin. Were he an admin and said, "It's totally inappropriate for your character to have tentacles on his head," then I would probably suggest you change it. You have my support as a freakish feathered Dracnari.
Ashteru2007-05-17 17:23:39
QUOTE(Verithrax @ May 17 2007, 04:20 PM) 409037
Mutations happen, so can I make a human with sixteen eyeballs, a tentacle for a left arm and a single rhino horn on his forehead?
I saw pictures of a girl whose knees bended backwards instead of forwards IRL. That's already too drastic a mutation for my taste, but, say, I wouldn't mind a human running around with six fingers, for example. That's pretty common, actually. And I don't mind Illithoids with fleshy tentacles growing out of his head, as long as he can't move them out of his own will, so they basically only are flesh hanging down. *shrug*
Unknown2007-05-17 17:28:30
Dsiri can't move his 'tentacles', yes.
Unknown2007-05-17 17:28:49
You see, Lucan/Ksilna/whoeverelsedisagrees, there are established things that don't require admins to say they're correct. One such thing is racial descriptions. If every single member of a race has certain traits, and you are a member of that race, you have those traits. A tentacle on your Illithoid's head is as bad as a tentacle on a human or trill's head, because there is absolutely no indication that said races will have tentacles on their heads and it is neither a logical nor possible mutation. It is a completely OOC-fabricated idea that has no base in the game. I don't care if Illith was squid-y, the race descended from him is not. If nobody in any of the NPC Illithoids has a tentacle on their head, there is no way for your character to have one on their head. It just completely ruins the point of having established races. You might as well go play some MUSH where you can be a cat-dragon-squid-bear-horse mudsexing machine, where there are no established races and therefore no requirements to be considered a member of that race. As it is, you are not an illithoid if you have a tentacle on your head. It's really that simple. I also don't like the word Nazi being thrown around in every other sentence - I thought we could come up with more intelligent words than a fascist party.
As for feathered dracnari - that's just completely bull. HUMANS are the only race that can breed with other races, with the possible exception of Viscanti that we're ignoring for this discussion. The same could be said for any other example, really. Only those that are humans or human/other-race can breed with other races - not trill/humans, not tae'dae/humans, not opossum/humans, not cheese/humans. You say Everiine and a Dracnari were your parents, Lucan, right? Well, Everiine is a trill, not a human. One cannot be a non-human and magically have the humans' special fertility just because one's parent was a human. That just is not logical, given the racial info provided. Were Everiine to be a human with Trill traits, then he would likely be able to have children with a dracnari and create human-dracnari children, likely just humans with green skin or scales or claws, and maybe thin bones, but certainly not feathers. You're pretending that any unusual traits of the grandparents consistently pass down to the grandchildren, which is not the case for the most part, in real life. Dominant traits win out - full-body-feathers is not a dominant trait for any race, yet alone trills with human ancestry. If you only have feathers as hair, that in itself does not make sense for the previous reasons and if you also have scales, which dracnari do.
As for feathered dracnari - that's just completely bull. HUMANS are the only race that can breed with other races, with the possible exception of Viscanti that we're ignoring for this discussion. The same could be said for any other example, really. Only those that are humans or human/other-race can breed with other races - not trill/humans, not tae'dae/humans, not opossum/humans, not cheese/humans. You say Everiine and a Dracnari were your parents, Lucan, right? Well, Everiine is a trill, not a human. One cannot be a non-human and magically have the humans' special fertility just because one's parent was a human. That just is not logical, given the racial info provided. Were Everiine to be a human with Trill traits, then he would likely be able to have children with a dracnari and create human-dracnari children, likely just humans with green skin or scales or claws, and maybe thin bones, but certainly not feathers. You're pretending that any unusual traits of the grandparents consistently pass down to the grandchildren, which is not the case for the most part, in real life. Dominant traits win out - full-body-feathers is not a dominant trait for any race, yet alone trills with human ancestry. If you only have feathers as hair, that in itself does not make sense for the previous reasons and if you also have scales, which dracnari do.
Ashteru2007-05-17 17:35:51
QUOTE(Kromsh @ May 17 2007, 05:28 PM) 409069
You see, Lucan/Ksilna/whoeverelsedisagrees, there are established things that don't require admins to say they're correct. One such thing is racial descriptions. If every single member of a race has certain traits, and you are a member of that race, you have those traits. A tentacle on your Illithoid's head is as bad as a tentacle on a human or trill's head, because there is absolutely no indication that said races will have tentacles on their heads and it is neither a logical nor possible mutation. It is a completely OOC-fabricated idea that has no base in the game. I don't care if Illith was squid-y, the race descended from him is not. If nobody in any of the NPC Illithoids has a tentacle on their head, there is no way for your character to have one on their head. It just completely ruins the point of having established races. You might as well go play some MUSH where you can be a cat-dragon-squid-bear-horse mudsexing machine, where there are no established races and therefore no requirements to be considered a member of that race. As it is, you are not an illithoid if you have a tentacle on your head. It's really that simple. I also don't like the word Nazi being thrown around in every other sentence - I thought we could come up with more intelligent words than a fascist party.
Fact is, the Illithoid racial pics has short stubs coming out of his head. What's it say that they can't grow longer? Just because none of the, what, ten, fifteen different Illithoid descs don't have that doesn't mean they don't exist. It's completely viable to assume they could grow, and there's also no hint to the opposite, namely that they don't grow.
And please, you saying anything about the usage of Nazi is just laughable.
Lucan2007-05-17 17:36:03
Everiine stated before that he is half Trill and half Human. I did mention this earlier. Also, if you're saying all in a race should have specific traits...well, what about Furrikin, who come in forms such as rabbits, foxes, rats, and skunks to name a few? What about Viscanti, whose NPCs all apparently have red skin? Does that mean ALL Viscanti must have red skin? No. I really don't care what a few description Republicans say about how it's wrong for Lucan to have feathers because he's a Dracnari blah blah blah. I'm not changing my description unless an admin were explicitly to say, "Hey, you're a Dracnari, you can't have feathers. Bad Lizard." I have a story behind it, and I get really sick of elitist BS coming from people like you and Verithrax.
EDIT: Oh, sorry, my use of the word Nazi was in poor taste. I've fixed it for you, Kromsh.
EDIT: Oh, sorry, my use of the word Nazi was in poor taste. I've fixed it for you, Kromsh.
Verithrax2007-05-17 17:44:45
It's funny how you bend over backwards to justify the plainly ridiculous.
Sure, you can be a mutant. Just realise that you'll be treated like a freak IC.
Sure, you can be a mutant. Just realise that you'll be treated like a freak IC.