Lucan2007-05-17 17:46:51
QUOTE(Verithrax @ May 17 2007, 01:44 PM) 409081
It's funny how you bend over backwards to justify the plainly ridiculous.
Sure, you can be a mutant. Just realise that you'll be treated like a freak IC.
Sure, you can be a mutant. Just realise that you'll be treated like a freak IC.
Actually, Lucan's roleplay does kind of center around being shunned for his appearance. I don't really see how it's plainly ridiculous, personally, but whatev. *insert dramatic soap opera music here*
Ashteru2007-05-17 17:47:02
QUOTE(Verithrax @ May 17 2007, 05:44 PM) 409081
It's funny how you bend over backwards to justify the plainly ridiculous.
Sure, you can be a mutant. Just realise that you'll be treated like a freak IC.
Sure, you can be a mutant. Just realise that you'll be treated like a freak IC.
Yes, plainly ridiculous. *roll* Go on trolling about descs, if you like.
Not like Illithoids aren't treated like freaks, heh.
Unknown2007-05-17 17:48:40
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:36 PM) 409075
Everiine stated before that he is half Trill and half Human. I did mention this earlier.
I mentioned it, too. And I explained that he needs to be a human to be able to breed with people other than trills or humans. Way to read!
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:36 PM) 409075
Also, if you're saying all in a race should have specific traits...well, what about Furrikin, who come in forms such as rabbits, foxes, rats, and skunks to name a few?
That's explainable, and in the racial description to boot.
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:36 PM) 409075
What about Viscanti, whose NPCs all apparently have red skin? Does that mean ALL Viscanti must have red skin? No.
QUOTE(Race Description)
Through years of interbreeding, they have become recognized as a race unto themselves. Generally, they are of a demonic appearance though some viscanti retain vestigial characteristics of other races, such as wings of trills (though bat-like and ineffective for flying) or pointed ears of the elfen.
Your example loses...again. Generally, not all the time.
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:36 PM) 409075
I really don't care what a few description Republicans say about how it's wrong for Lucan to have feathers because he's a Dracnari blah blah blah. I'm not changing my description unless an admin were explicitly to say, "Hey, you're a Dracnari, you can't have feathers. Bad Lizard." I have a story behind it, and I get really sick of elitist BS coming from people like you and Verithrax.
It's BS because we're sticking to canon and an admin hasn't wasted their time bothering with people who won't listen to anyone but them? Riiiiight.
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:36 PM) 409075
EDIT: Oh, sorry, my use of the word Nazi was in poor taste. I've fixed it for you, Kromsh.
A better word would have been "conservatives".
In summary: Character descriptions should be based off of NPC descriptions, racial descriptions, and reasonable mutations. That's what makes them a race. That's why races and their NPC descriptions are specific. It seems many people aren't capable of realizing what reasonable means, despite having it explained to them, or said people desire ignorance.
*sigh*
I give up. Have your freakish descriptions. Expect to be ostracized by at least a couple characters in-game for being so freakish.
Unknown2007-05-17 17:53:06
Kromsh... You gave me a few illithoid descriptions in the beginning, so I changed it to my current. And you said it was -great-. You just changed your opinion because Verithrax, the God of Descriptions put up a 'guide'line? Pssh. I smell hypocrisy.
Unknown2007-05-17 17:55:19
QUOTE(Ksilna @ May 17 2007, 01:53 PM) 409090
Kromsh... You gave me a few illithoid descriptions in the beginning, so I changed it to my current. And you said it was -great-. You just changed your opinion because Verithrax, the God of Descriptions put up a 'guide'line? Pssh. I smell hypocrisy.
No, actually. I'm the one that brought it up, and Verithrax is the one that posted. I said it was great before I actually thought about it.
I smell bitterness.
Lucan2007-05-17 17:55:41
A couple characters, yes. Rutharr and Verithrax (or whomever his alts are). Oh, and I'll know who you are if someone starts telling me how lame my description is out of the blue. Besides, as stated earlier, at least a part of Lucan's roleplay has to do with being cast out because he's a feathered Dracnari.
Good to know also that Rutharr is going to suddenly start ostracizing Dsiri out of the blue just for having tendrils. Way to go, you win Lusternia.
EDIT: Oh, and we'll thank you not to dictate our roleplay either. Part of the reason I left Aetolia was because almost everyone there was like Kromsh and Verithrax.
Good to know also that Rutharr is going to suddenly start ostracizing Dsiri out of the blue just for having tendrils. Way to go, you win Lusternia.
EDIT: Oh, and we'll thank you not to dictate our roleplay either. Part of the reason I left Aetolia was because almost everyone there was like Kromsh and Verithrax.
Unknown2007-05-17 17:57:54
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:55 PM) 409092
A couple characters, yes. Rutharr and Verithrax (or whomever his alts are). Oh, and I'll know who you are if someone starts telling me how lame my description is out of the blue. Besides, as stated earlier, at least a part of Lucan's roleplay has to do with being cast out because he's a feathered Dracnari.
Good to know also that Rutharr is going to suddenly start ostracizing Dsiri out of the blue just for having tendrils. Way to go, you win Lusternia.
Good to know also that Rutharr is going to suddenly start ostracizing Dsiri out of the blue just for having tendrils. Way to go, you win Lusternia.
The thought you put in to your posts is positively astounding.
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 01:55 PM) 409092
EDIT: Oh, and we'll thank you not to dictate our roleplay either. Part of the reason I left Aetolia was because almost everyone there was like Kromsh and Verithrax.
You mean because people actually tried to stick with the presented lore? Aye, shame on them, on us, for accepting the difference between good roleplay and game/rule/immersion-breaking roleplay.
Oh, wait, I said I gave up. *chin* Right-o, I'll stop posting if you do.
Lucan2007-05-17 18:01:23
QUOTE(Kromsh @ May 17 2007, 01:57 PM) 409094
The thought you put in to your posts is positively astounding.
You mean because people actually tried to stick with the presented lore? Aye, shame on them.
Oh, wait, I said I gave up. *chin* Right-o, I'll stop posting if you do.
You mean because people actually tried to stick with the presented lore? Aye, shame on them.
Oh, wait, I said I gave up. *chin* Right-o, I'll stop posting if you do.
Far as I'm aware, I haven't strayed from the lore. Lucan is considered a Dracnari because he has flame sacs. Just because he has some feathers on his head doesn't mean I've completely strayed from the lore. Now, if I were to say he had feathers on his head and a laser cannon grafted to his chest, THEN I would have strayed completely from the lore. Get over yourself and your OBVIOUSLY superior roleplay.
Unknown2007-05-17 18:02:25
Ok, let's keep arguing! Lore states that humans are the only race that can breed with other races.
You have lost. Try again? Y/N
You have lost. Try again? Y/N
Lucan2007-05-17 18:04:36
QUOTE(Kromsh @ May 17 2007, 02:02 PM) 409099
Ok, let's keep arguing! Lore states that humans are the only race that can breed with other races.
You have lost. Try again? Y/N
You have lost. Try again? Y/N
You know, you should open your mind a little. The game might be more fun if you did. Not to mention much less tedious for you, because then you wouldn't have to police everyone's descriptions.
Also, you haven't responded to whether or not you'll hate your brother Dsiri for his tendrils now.
Unknown2007-05-17 18:09:27
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 02:04 PM) 409100
You know, you should open your mind a little. The game might be more fun if you did. Not to mention much less tedious for you, because then you wouldn't have to police everyone's descriptions.
I'd rather stick to things the admins say are OK, so I won't contradict the world of the game in which I play. After all, that's what you do, isn't it?
Oh, wait, you do anything you want until they say it isn't. Gotcha! Off to make a dracnari with spikes instead of scales and a furry tail because his great, great grandfather was a human. BBL
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 02:04 PM) 409100
Also, you haven't responded to whether or not you'll hate your brother Dsiri for his tendrils now.
Never used the word hate, chap. However, unless he changes his description, I'll consider him not an Illithoid. That is, if I ever can be arsed to log in. ;)
Amarysse2007-05-17 18:16:02
I could be wrong, and I don't want to step on any toes, but I don't think anyone is actually saying you cannot have those things. Anyone is clearly capable of describing their character in any way they see fit. The intended goal, as far as I can tell, is a degree of consistency among members of particular races.
That means that Lucan should probably not have feathers as a dracnari, as far as the information provided for the races is concerned, despite his vision for that character. It doesn't mean that anyone is trying (or should try) to force him to change. (I apologize for using you as the example, Lucan, but you're one of the most recent, heh.)
It's not, in my opinion, an unreasonable expectation that people should adhere at least minimally to the standards set by "canon" for the various races in Lusternia. Realistically, people can go crazy and do whatever they like with their descriptions. Realistically, they should also not expect to be taken very seriously by the people to whom such things matter.
That means that Lucan should probably not have feathers as a dracnari, as far as the information provided for the races is concerned, despite his vision for that character. It doesn't mean that anyone is trying (or should try) to force him to change. (I apologize for using you as the example, Lucan, but you're one of the most recent, heh.)
It's not, in my opinion, an unreasonable expectation that people should adhere at least minimally to the standards set by "canon" for the various races in Lusternia. Realistically, people can go crazy and do whatever they like with their descriptions. Realistically, they should also not expect to be taken very seriously by the people to whom such things matter.
Lucan2007-05-17 18:21:09
QUOTE(Amarysse @ May 17 2007, 02:16 PM) 409108
I could be wrong, and I don't want to step on any toes, but I don't think anyone is actually saying you cannot have those things. Anyone is clearly capable of describing their character in any way they see fit. The intended goal, as far as I can tell, is a degree of consistency among members of particular races.
That means that Lucan should probably not have feathers as a dracnari, as far as the information provided for the races is concerned, despite his vision for that character. It doesn't mean that anyone is trying (or should try) to force him to change. (I apologize for using you as the example, Lucan, but you're one of the most recent, heh.)
It's not, in my opinion, an unreasonable expectation that people should adhere at least minimally to the standards set by "canon" for the various races in Lusternia. Realistically, people can go crazy and do whatever they like with their descriptions. Realistically, they should also not expect to be taken very seriously by the people to whom such things matter.
That means that Lucan should probably not have feathers as a dracnari, as far as the information provided for the races is concerned, despite his vision for that character. It doesn't mean that anyone is trying (or should try) to force him to change. (I apologize for using you as the example, Lucan, but you're one of the most recent, heh.)
It's not, in my opinion, an unreasonable expectation that people should adhere at least minimally to the standards set by "canon" for the various races in Lusternia. Realistically, people can go crazy and do whatever they like with their descriptions. Realistically, they should also not expect to be taken very seriously by the people to whom such things matter.
I am adhering to what was set as "canon." Lucan doesn't look like a twelve foot purple polka dotted elephant. No, Lucan should probably not have feathers; however, that is not what I"m hearing from Kromsh or Verithrax. I'm hearing "Unless you change your description to be EXACTLY like every other Dracnari in the basin, I will never accept you as even a mediocre roleplayer!"
Also...Kromsh...I'm not even going to dignify your immaturity with a response at this point. (Aside from the previously stated response, of course.)
Unknown2007-05-17 18:23:21
Yes, people in theory can describe themselves as whatever they want. However I'd like to think that they're smart enough to adhere to the characteristics of their race. I could get all the NPC dracnari descriptions, but instead I'll use the racial info page.
IE, their skin is always scaled and always green. Let's allow some variation and say that they are allowed to have non-green skin. This is a reasonable variation because we see lizards and humans with different colored skin. Dracnari with human ancestry, as is stated, can have human-like features, but not de-scaled skin.
Now let's add in some feathers. This is not a reasonable varation, because lizards do not have feathers and people in real life can not spontaneously grow feathers.
The same can be applied for Illithoids with tentacles. If any of you don't understand why this is happening, I suggest you take a few lessons in Reason. Once you're past Inept, you should be fine.
QUOTE(Race Page)
Their skin is scaled green and features range from the truly draconic to remarkably human-like.
IE, their skin is always scaled and always green. Let's allow some variation and say that they are allowed to have non-green skin. This is a reasonable variation because we see lizards and humans with different colored skin. Dracnari with human ancestry, as is stated, can have human-like features, but not de-scaled skin.
Now let's add in some feathers. This is not a reasonable varation, because lizards do not have feathers and people in real life can not spontaneously grow feathers.
The same can be applied for Illithoids with tentacles. If any of you don't understand why this is happening, I suggest you take a few lessons in Reason. Once you're past Inept, you should be fine.
Lucan2007-05-17 18:27:10
And I suggest you take a few lessons in "This is a game, let everyone play it how it is most fun for them." I am adhering to the basic guidelines the admin put in place, but this is my character and I will create him how I want. I don't really see any problem with that, and I won't condemn anyone else for doing the same.
Unknown2007-05-17 18:31:18
QUOTE(Lucan Silverwolf @ May 17 2007, 02:27 PM) 409111
I am adhering to the basic guidelines the admin put in place, but this is my character and I will create him how I want.
Please, I implore you, think before you post such nonsense.
You are not following the basic guidelines! I even posted them for you! The basic guidelines dictate that Dracnari can only be green and can only have scales. Reason dictates that they could presumably be a different color, though even that is stretching it a bit.
If your character isn't even adhering to the basic guidelines, then it is not fun for everyone. Apparently, we need Estarra or Roark to post their opinion. I'd be interested* to see whose side they take.
*Truly. That wasn't sarcasm.
Unknown2007-05-17 18:33:09
There is alot of dracnari that has other colour on their scales than green, did you know that?
Unknown2007-05-17 18:34:20
QUOTE(Ksilna @ May 17 2007, 02:33 PM) 409115
There is alot of dracnari that has other colour on their scales than green, did you know that?
Yes. See: What I posted.
Lucan2007-05-17 18:36:50
I really have more important things to do than argue with you over something so stupid. Oh, and go ahead and say I've "given up" or that I've lost. It will only show everyone just how mature you are.
Ashteru2007-05-17 18:37:13
Beneath what could be considered bangs, his right eye is curiously absent, and no wounds seem to have been inflicted near the socket.
Zomg, I never saw a Tae'dae with bangs. Or a Tae'dae without a right eye! Zomg, stop being such a sucky RPer.
Seriously, let the guys have some fun varying their descs.
Zomg, I never saw a Tae'dae with bangs. Or a Tae'dae without a right eye! Zomg, stop being such a sucky RPer.
Seriously, let the guys have some fun varying their descs.