Unknown2007-05-22 05:40:42
So I'm thrilled with the new auction artis.. There's a lot of neat stuff..
Yet once again I'm struck by how most of them should simply NOT be auctioned. I realise that an auction is more appealing because you sell artis for really big numbers, but in the long run you're losing out on a lot of viable income, and players are missing out on fantastic functionality..
In every other IRE, there are two types of artifacts. One type is the standard artifact. You buy it in a shop or through a command or whatever. The other is the auction artifacts.. The unique, rare artis that have such bizarre or excessive utility that they don't fit into the standard category, and deserve to be auctioned.
Nothing in the current batch belongs in that second category. Changing gender? Mundane. Expanding enemy/ally lists? Equally trite. The ledger is neat but functionally meaningless and should be freely available, so on and so forth.
Honestly, auctions should be reserved for the best of the best. The creme of the crop, the stuff that is custom and unique and wonderful. See: custom wings(aka prisms), custom entrance/exit designers, special houses, special pets, etc.
Please stop forcing us to get into silly bidding wars and depriving the larger playerbase of some very useful and desirable functionality. Introduce more common artifacts, don't just make them for auctions!
Yet once again I'm struck by how most of them should simply NOT be auctioned. I realise that an auction is more appealing because you sell artis for really big numbers, but in the long run you're losing out on a lot of viable income, and players are missing out on fantastic functionality..
In every other IRE, there are two types of artifacts. One type is the standard artifact. You buy it in a shop or through a command or whatever. The other is the auction artifacts.. The unique, rare artis that have such bizarre or excessive utility that they don't fit into the standard category, and deserve to be auctioned.
Nothing in the current batch belongs in that second category. Changing gender? Mundane. Expanding enemy/ally lists? Equally trite. The ledger is neat but functionally meaningless and should be freely available, so on and so forth.
Honestly, auctions should be reserved for the best of the best. The creme of the crop, the stuff that is custom and unique and wonderful. See: custom wings(aka prisms), custom entrance/exit designers, special houses, special pets, etc.
Please stop forcing us to get into silly bidding wars and depriving the larger playerbase of some very useful and desirable functionality. Introduce more common artifacts, don't just make them for auctions!
Richter2007-05-22 05:45:05
I'm inclined to agree. Though, it won't stop people from bidding and generating credits.
Really though, that merchant ledger. That should be a 100cr artifact, in a store. Not going for 300cr in an auction. Extra enemies and allies? Isn't that standard in other games?
I want to see some awesome artifacts. Think... Wabbajack, or Skull of Corruption. Those freakier Daedric artifacts from Oblivion, that do HOLYCRAP kinds of things.
Really though, that merchant ledger. That should be a 100cr artifact, in a store. Not going for 300cr in an auction. Extra enemies and allies? Isn't that standard in other games?
I want to see some awesome artifacts. Think... Wabbajack, or Skull of Corruption. Those freakier Daedric artifacts from Oblivion, that do HOLYCRAP kinds of things.
Callia2007-05-22 05:57:28
i want a strength enhancing arti.... we already have the 'stat cap' so its not like it would be THAT over powered... and it only takes one or two more base strength for a Kephera to be capable as a warrior :-p
Yrael2007-05-22 06:24:18
QUOTE(Richter @ May 22 2007, 03:45 PM) 410641
I'm inclined to agree. Though, it won't stop people from bidding and generating credits.
Really though, that merchant ledger. That should be a 100cr artifact, in a store. Not going for 300cr in an auction. Extra enemies and allies? Isn't that standard in other games?
I want to see some awesome artifacts. Think... Wabbajack, or Skull of Corruption. Those freakier Daedric artifacts from Oblivion, that do HOLYCRAP kinds of things.
Really though, that merchant ledger. That should be a 100cr artifact, in a store. Not going for 300cr in an auction. Extra enemies and allies? Isn't that standard in other games?
I want to see some awesome artifacts. Think... Wabbajack, or Skull of Corruption. Those freakier Daedric artifacts from Oblivion, that do HOLYCRAP kinds of things.
I loved Wabbajack. I carried my full weight in soul gems just so I could play with that thing.
Anarias2007-05-22 06:47:32
QUOTE(Callia Parayshia @ May 21 2007, 11:57 PM) 410644
i want a strength enhancing arti.... we already have the 'stat cap' so its not like it would be THAT over powered... and it only takes one or two more base strength for a Kephera to be capable as a warrior :-p
Boooo! Hisssss! No stat-altering artifacts!
Shiri2007-05-22 06:50:21
Stat-altering artifacts aside, I don't see why most of these artifacts (maybe not scrying stones) couldn't be made regular artifacts. It's not necessarily a problem that they're on auction this once even if they are made regular though - you just pay more for the chance to get them earlier than anyone else.
EDIT: Also, just noticed this; weren't they called "chalices" last time? I don't think chalance is a word.
EDIT: Also, just noticed this; weren't they called "chalices" last time? I don't think chalance is a word.
Yevah2007-05-22 06:54:38
QUOTE(Anarias @ May 22 2007, 06:47 AM) 410647
Boooo! Hisssss! No stat-altering artifacts!
Exactly. You shouldn't be able to buy Titan/Demigod stats.
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I want the Bubble. I really want to change into a female, since every other person mistakes Yevah for one anyway.
Unknown2007-05-22 06:56:04
Make the Mirror permanent so I can get it without Forren knowing!!
And no stat altering artifacts kthxbye. We got weighing because buffs could stack crazily already, if we get stat arties I don't want to know what'll happen...
EDIT: And I think the Bubble is a regular artie already Yevah since it's definitely not being auctioned.
And no stat altering artifacts kthxbye. We got weighing because buffs could stack crazily already, if we get stat arties I don't want to know what'll happen...
EDIT: And I think the Bubble is a regular artie already Yevah since it's definitely not being auctioned.
Yevah2007-05-22 07:01:38
Male Aesyra x Forren.
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I need to scrub my brain.
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I need to scrub my brain.
Verithrax2007-05-22 08:34:08
No stat-altering artefacts.
I think auctions are a neat way of keeping everyone and their mothers from having certain artefacts, but unfortunately the only arties that get auctioned, ever, are completely mundane things that don't unbalance the game in the least and so there's no real point to limiting their availability.
Well except the wands. Those should be uber-rare.
I think auctions are a neat way of keeping everyone and their mothers from having certain artefacts, but unfortunately the only arties that get auctioned, ever, are completely mundane things that don't unbalance the game in the least and so there's no real point to limiting their availability.
Well except the wands. Those should be uber-rare.
Callia2007-05-22 14:33:55
And if stats are already weighted I don't see the problem... but oh well. I am actually beginning to make headway into the 'can't do crap as a warrior' to 'yaay, I can take competent healers now' soon I will be able to maybe stick medium wounds against a good healer!
Forren2007-05-22 19:28:24
Eww. No stat altering artifacts.
Unknown2007-05-22 19:36:36
One very refreshing thing about Lusternia is that you can't just unload a metric shiteton of credits and become an unstoppable avatar of death (ala Cain in Achaea).
Krellan2007-05-22 19:40:49
Visaeris makes a good point for the most part though. a lot of them aren't that fabulous. The wand of Illusions definately should not be a standard arti though. I wish the Ice and fire wands were though i have so much fun with those. others already named some others that should be.
They should bring back those never ending vials to the auction. those generate a ton of credits. the paradox pyramids should've been limited to auctions actually, those are really cool.
They should bring back those never ending vials to the auction. those generate a ton of credits. the paradox pyramids should've been limited to auctions actually, those are really cool.
Daganev2007-05-22 20:47:36
QUOTE(Krellan @ May 22 2007, 12:40 PM) 410863
Visaeris makes a good point for the most part though. a lot of them aren't that fabulous. The wand of Illusions definately should not be a standard arti though. I wish the Ice and fire wands were though i have so much fun with those. others already named some others that should be.
They should bring back those never ending vials to the auction. those generate a ton of credits. the paradox pyramids should've been limited to auctions actually, those are really cool.
They should bring back those never ending vials to the auction. those generate a ton of credits. the paradox pyramids should've been limited to auctions actually, those are really cool.
Icewands should not be normal atrifacts, then you'll have to balance wiccan combat around them.
Krellan2007-05-22 23:34:32
QUOTE(daganev @ May 22 2007, 03:47 PM) 410875
Icewands should not be normal atrifacts, then you'll have to balance wiccan combat around them.
why? the only thing an icewand does is when you chase a toad instead of stomping you raise wand. It doesn't help anyone get a toad curse faster.
Xenthos2007-05-22 23:55:13
QUOTE(Krellan @ May 22 2007, 07:34 PM) 410938
why? the only thing an icewand does is when you chase a toad instead of stomping you raise wand. It doesn't help anyone get a toad curse faster.
Yes, it does.
Seriously, just look at all your posts asking for it to be made a permanent artifact. You've posted it at LEAST eight times now.
Yrael2007-05-23 00:09:39
Stat altering artifacts would be obscene. People would just buy the level 3 con one and go faeling/mugwump, creating a big divide (there is one now, but it's fairly small, you can go head to head with an arti player and come out on top if you know your stuff) that'd be damn near impossible to breach.
Krellan2007-05-23 00:24:54
QUOTE(Xenthos @ May 22 2007, 06:55 PM) 410945
Yes, it does.
Seriously, just look at all your posts asking for it to be made a permanent artifact. You've posted it at LEAST eight times now.
Seriously, just look at all your posts asking for it to be made a permanent artifact. You've posted it at LEAST eight times now.
that's because I like icewalls. Lots of Serens can tell you that. the only thing it can do it stop a toad after you've already toaded someone. it doesn't help you get their mana halfway below, it's limited to on the ground and outdoors. it's a convience to turn an ability that isn't an instantkill, yet the only viable way to fight into more of an instant kill.
Xenthos2007-05-23 00:26:25
QUOTE(Krellan @ May 22 2007, 08:24 PM) 410953
that's because I like icewalls. Lots of Serens can tell you that. the only thing it can do it stop a toad after you've already toaded someone. it doesn't help you get their mana halfway below, it's limited to on the ground and outdoors. it's a convience to turn an ability that isn't an instantkill, yet the only viable way to fight into more of an instant kill.
Which is... exactly Daganev's point.
Thank you.