of course he forgets to mention how toadcurse has a cure.

Whether or not it has a cure is irrelevant. If ice wand becomes an ordinary artifact and affects the execution of toadcurse, Wiccan combat has to be balanced around it. One-off (well, about twelve-off by now) artifacts can't be obtained by everybody and thus have less impact.

Would toadcurse being an instakill actually affect Wiccan balance?

Yar! By definition anything that alters toadcurse, however minutely, is thus affecting Wiccan combat. Although to be honest, I don't think making ice wand an ordinary artifact would affect it that profoundly.

Basically, is Wiccan combat balanced around people routinely escaping toadcurse? Is it designed to be basically an instant kill that is tempered a bit by some flavorful disadvantages, or is it supposed to be an "instakill" only part of the time?

It would not affect it enough to matter. Technically if you make it need 49% or 51% mana to execute it affects it as well but I don't think anyone would mind that much.

Secretly Forren is paying for Aesyra's mirror -snicker-



Didn't you just make a thread wanting stat altering arties

I wasn't thinking anything that altered it more then one point... I only want one point... I can get 15 easy enough now... but 16 seems to be the cut off for a blademaster sticking wounds or not...

With one-point altering, I could have 25 str as a Demigod. xD Do you want me with 25 str?

So, naw, I don't like stat-altering arties either. One of the reasons I really like Lusty is that we don't have that stuff.

Do we want you with 24 strength? :/

Would it really make that much of a difference?

More damage and wounds, and since I am going for damage on my flails...dunno, I'll do a lot.

Chasing toads is more annoying than you seem to think. Assume I move in and stomp once. By the time I recover balance from -one- stomp (that is with normal balance, no penalities) the toad can hop 2 rooms. Now imagine they have a cloaking gem..

Toads cannot be scried, and cannot be scented. Chasing them is -very very very- annoying. And if you have a place like Faethorn it literally depends on luck.

*sigh* I want absolve.. so much less hassle.

Aesyra. You can suggest to Laysus a new Wiccan insta, as can any Wiccan to Shamarah or Laysus.

A new one? That implies that they have an old one.

If it was as simple as just suggesting it to an envoy I don't think there'd be any posts about it here. Toadcurse is something that's been argued about on forums for a while though with multiple envoys having different opinions on how the ability should function. Lots of things have been suggested for it.

Cap is 24 Ash, well I think thats what it is, a stat altering rune for your str would be a waste or you just wouldnt have to put up some str altering defs

So imagine Ashteru with 24 STR and a stat-boosting artifact that raises his INT or his CHA. Ick.

I did read a post about it somewhere IG. When I was looking up information on Stag Sacrifice, and I remember an Envoy saying something about it on the Forums.

I think Xenthos mentioned somewhere once that Toadcurse was never meant to be an insta kill. Which means that Moondancers don't have one.. and theoretically can only kill with moonburst. Oh joy!