The latter.

As Sham said, I haven't had many people have a problem with stomping. And Toad lasts a LONG time, so you basically just have to run a bit and then stomp in the immediate area.

I believe the argument was between Krellan and him that toadcurse isn't a sure way to kill -and- has a cure as opposed to.. say wrack or absolve. He said it's not meant to be an insta kill. What does that make toadcurse then though? A stylish way for wiccans to curse that -maybe- kills and -maybe- doesn't?


@ Shamarah (and Ashteru): It really depends on the area. If you set yourself up at our aspects, then yes I believe you that you get them all. There is no where to run there. If you try and track someone in like Faethorn though... the chances change massivly.

Also, I've had someone last over five stomps once. I have no clue how he did it but he just wouldn't die. Not entirely sure anymore who that was.. I think Krellan in the arena? It might be that because he hopped through the swamp he regenerated a lot Otherwise I have no clue how that could have happened..

If you people must find a place to vent about toadcurse or whatever, could you do it in another thread and not derail a perfectly valid topic?

Thanks

It's not a perfectly valid topic. It's just a whinge. It seems perfectly clear to me that auctioning off artefacts is a good way to determine interest and a reasonable price as a first step towards perhaps adding them permanently. This has been the pattern several times in the past.

Diamante did some testing I believe finding that moonburst gains more damage than nightkiss with each increase of int. At lower int nightkiss will work out better but as you can see by comparing the higher end of diamantes nightkiss vs krellans moonburst krellens moonburst often does much more damage.

Nightkiss won’t change or alter much more you’ll not notice any difference between one person and another persons nightkiss where as moonburst will have a much wider scale ranging for ridiculously low to amazingly high.

If you don’t like the formula you could always request it to be changed to be a more average damage for everyone.

Yep.

Maybe an instakill.. maybe not... a minstakill?

OOh what about a manse artifact that makes illusions you put in your manse permanent until you dispell them!

moonburst gains more but it's insignificant against any sort of magic protection. I'd much rather have a damage type change at least 25% something else. It's absurd that I would have to waste the power to toadcurse Urazial when he's more or less a non combatant, but just cause of his race it makes him impossible to damage kill unless I wield my axe and start swinging.

It burns usssss.

death to everyone of you keeping me from my ice wand

No. He said it. To me when I was an envoy, that Toadcurse was never meant to be an instantkill. It is. It is meant to be a flavorful version of absolve/wrack.

Except that the 'flavour' of it in fact also makes it a lot harder to successfully pull off -unless- you had possibility to chose your position (really not often the case).

Atop of that, having to chase a toad splits a group up, which in group combat can easily mean turn the tide... Any other insta kill that I can think of doesn't give you nearly as much trouble. Either you can pull it off or you can't. But it's not a - I can toadcurse and maybe I can actually stomp to finish it too.

I think I know better than anyone how toadcurse works. There is no need to explain it to me nor convince me of anything.

I remember when stomping toads took upwards of 10 stomps, sometimes it was entirely impossible on some people because their regeneration would outpace the damage done by stomping and they dodged more often. Not only that, toads had no delayed movement, and were completely invisible, as they had no entrance or exit message.

Oh yea, and we didn't have lash back then either.

I've said it multiple times, to you and to others. It's supposed to be a flavourful version of Inquisition, but instead of a stun it allows for a squish. I mean, if that wasn't the case, why could you kiss the toad? Person loses defences either way, but there is a chance for an instant-kill as well, and they're out of the fight for a bit.

It's been upgraded significantly to increase that chance, but it's still not an instant-kill.

Because that's the definition of "flavorful".



Utter nonsense. It's was designed as a version of the guardian wrack/absolve abilities, not inquisition. The reason it was buffed was to bring it closer to what it is supposed to be, and not have such a high probability of failing.

Obviously, I disagreed, and still do. If you toad someone, they're out of the fight for a while, if not completely dead even if cured. They lose all their defences, and most people sans defences become, mmm... rather un-tanky.

You can call it utter nonsense if you'd like, but that does not make it so. It's not an instant-kill, or it would have been designed so that they turn into a toad and you immediately stomped the new toad. Instead, they turn into a toad, lose all their defences... and THEN you have a chance to try for the instant-kill option, if you desire.

That wouldn't be as flavorful now would it? The flavor part is the fact that you CAN turn someone into a toad and not kill them. And they can run around if you like. Even be kissed to turn them back (Flavor). However, they aren't really intended to be able to escape if you don't want them too. But you can't make it a completely effective instantkill without it entirely losing it's flavor, which is why it remains a flavorful instantkill and not just made into absolve.

I'd actually have to say the reasons for it to remain as-is are more balance-oriented-- pooka + banshee + pixie + redcap + barghest are rather effective at mana drain on top of the more active drains / offence. By themselves, sure, they often won't get so far-- but when stacked together with active draining, they do add up more than a Demon/Angel does.

Thus, it is easier to get someone to 50% (especially if using Succumb well), but harder to get a kill at 50% (can immediately remove defences, but then have to decide whether chasing down that toad for the kill is worth it, or if you're going to let them hop away beaten and broken).