You say it's horrible, and give no reasons to back it up except that Gentoo runs better. Of course it does. Ubuntu I'm going to guess is easy for a lot of people to use. Gentoo has always struck me as the hardcore min-maxer distro, and I've seen no efforts to counter that. Ubuntu comes across as far friendlier. And it doesn't need to be configured by hand and tweaked and coddled. If you're random guy on the street, that's important. I mean, Windows is better at that simply because it doesn't let you, but there needs to be some middle ground.

OK, the main problem with Ubuntu is dependencies. The basic install gives you some very useful applications, sure. The downside of this is having a -lot- of stuff that 1. You will just never use, and 2. Do nothing but slow your box down.

I am admittedly rather biased when it comes to it, yes. Reading something a while back, the CEO, Mark Shuttleworth said he wanted to make it as much like Windows as possible, and -that- is where the problem comes in for me.

Yes, also, it is geared towards people new to GNU/Linux, and to all intents and purposes, accomplishes this well. I just do not see the need for all the 'frilly bits'.

Speed is of paramount importance, yes? Ubuntu from poweron to a working Gnome DE takes 58 seconds of my box compared to just 12 with Gentoo.

Speed is not of paramount importance to most people. Unless they're running top of the line games, most people have more CPU and RAM then they really need, and their computers are slow because they themselves load too much crap into it, or run it aground on the rocky shores of malware. I power on my box maybe once a month, unless I'm tweaking the OS or something. And to compare it with Vista, Ubuntu doesn't even use resources. My computer runs faster than it ever did with Windows, even running Beryl with full eye candy.

Well, to be fair, I think there will be many different views on this, but if I may get back on topic and again ask, does anybody have a base system for Tinyfugue they are willing to share, please?

Again....In anticipation.

Bump! I'm trying to take on another approach to making a system, but one that will be only semi-automatic. Question though, does anyone know how to make separate windows in tf? I recall seeing on bwbettin's website a screenshot showing different windows for different channels.

I have used tf, mainly version 5, but I didn't have much in the way of useful scripting or aliasing in it. The last mud I was on frowned upon triggers so I never played with them before.

I'm currently using kildclient which is gnome-based and looks kinda nice. With a bit of perl/gtk magic the first thing I'm going to do is split out the channels to another window. The nice thing is it is pretty customisable, for a programmer anyway.

ooer, nvm, fixed my problem.

This must be tomorrow in very contra-lusternia time.

If anyone has a full copy of bwbetin's system, please tar*zip it up and share. I've pulled snippets from his posts, but it's just a collection of ideas. Only some parts work together and others have dependencies to track down.

I'm sorry. No disrespect meant so don't find and kill me or anything, but anytime I see Gentoo, I can't help but think "Gentoo is rice"

http://web.archive.org/web/20040603174302/...roll-loops.org/

That's probably just my elitist Debian attitude shining through. You seem to know both so you must not be half bad.

Seriously, though. I'm glad there's so much variety for people. I'm happy that Ubuntu is doing a great job of filling the "Fedora like Debian" nitch and doing a bang-up job of it. I gave up on Gentoo. My head hurt too much thinking about all the flags and options. It was as bad as combat in lusternia. Wait, now I'm wandering back towards being on topic. I'll stop.

There are a few examples of tf "split screen" action in tf in this post by bwbettin:

http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=3749

Basically tf is writing to a named pipe, and cat is reading from it. You can use different terminal windows, or split up one window using GNU screen. I tried it and don't use it. I think I may try it again putting all the coms into a log file and tail it in another xterm. I didn't like the trouble of switching windows and scrolling up in screen, or the fragile nature of the pipes, or having the comms gagged out of the normal window, especially since it left a blank line anyway.

This seems to be a popular approach. I have no idea how to do it in tf, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I can read the help on one topic a dozen times and learn two dozen new things. Lots of options. If I could plug in another language I know better I could queue away. I guess I could run another program and communicate with it, but that seems like a fragile kludge.

Ah, I was looking for his tutorial on split screens, thanks! I had an idea that instead of making queues... which I still can't figure... split screens could be used to capture the affliction lines instead. But after examining the script maybe not... that's gonna be just so much writing =( Think maybe I'll wait out for Atlantis to receive a speed boost.