Why is the DarkNest so utterly worthless?

by Shamarah

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Hazar2007-08-25 05:52:44
Eggs definitely need to last longer.
Geb2007-08-25 06:15:05
Does lich seed lasts after a person logs?
Diamante2007-08-25 06:17:14
yes.
Furien2007-08-25 06:19:20
So, I'm allowed to complain about the fact that you've got an exp-less resurrection that's like a restricted-but-cheaper (sometimes) transmigration, right?

...Right?
Shiri2007-08-25 06:29:18
It's basically lich that's more annoying to use. If you have 20 seconds to prepare for a fight, you can't lose any experience even while raiding. If you don't it's like an ALMOST strictly better vitae (except that you don't get suspect.)
Xavius2007-08-25 06:54:38
QUOTE(Shiri @ Aug 25 2007, 01:29 AM) 436021
It's basically lich that's more annoying to use. If you have 20 seconds to prepare for a fight, you can't lose any experience even while raiding. If you don't it's like an ALMOST strictly better vitae (except that you don't get suspect.)


Is vitae useful for anything other than suspect? Starburst tattoos always struck me as a great excuse to die twice.
Shiri2007-08-25 07:03:37
People like Daedalion and Urazial have dying triggered to spore. Even if you kill them in enemy territory they're out in a flash. So yes.
Daereth2007-08-25 07:16:03
QUOTE(Shiri @ Aug 25 2007, 02:03 AM) 436025
People like Daedalion and Urazial have dying triggered to spore. Even if you kill them in enemy territory they're out in a flash. So yes.


Acually, I spam snort spore when I'm about to die to a 15 seren zerg dead.gif
Shiri2007-08-25 07:22:26
Close enough.
Daereth2007-08-25 07:31:56
About the construct, I think the egg should be plane wide and last longer.

The moonaltar is way overpowered, so don't go all saying a basicly cheaper transmigration isn't at least somewhat on level to serenwilde -almost never- praying at all. (keep in mind your ressurection doesn't cost power, even if you need 3 people to pull it off you almost always have 3 people to do it)

Also, the weird thing about not being able to pick it up if you happen to vitae with it in your hands should be fixed too.

(Edited, becuse I forgot to add something)
Shiri2007-08-25 07:38:15
QUOTE(Daereth @ Aug 25 2007, 08:31 AM) 436031
About the construct, I think the egg should be plane wide and last longer.

The moonaltar is way overpowered, so don't go all saying a basicly cheaper transmigration isn't at least somewhat on level to serenwilde -almost never- praying at all. (keep in mind your ressurection doesn't cost power, even if you need 3 people to pull it off you almost always have 3 people to do it)

Also, the weird thing about not being able to pick it up if you happen to vitae with it in your hands should be fixed too.

(Edited, becuse I forgot to add something)


This would be true if the resurgem thing resulted in no experience loss. In reality, it results in a fairly heavy experience loss for the person being resurgemed (slightly less than praying though) and a minor experience loss for the person sacrificing. If the darknest were altered but also made to cause the person a similar experience loss there wouldn't be any issues - they'd still never have to pray.

EDIT: Actually, I guess there'd still be issues, but nothing as outrageous as the quoted post.
Furien2007-08-25 07:43:08
Er, yeah, must agree. If certain changes go in, you've got..ohh..how did it go.

long range plane-wide exp-free soul rezz

Or whatever the hell you people feel like tacking onto 'bodiless resurgem' now.
Daereth2007-08-25 07:49:19
QUOTE(Shiri @ Aug 25 2007, 02:38 AM) 436032
This would be true if the resurgem thing resulted in no experience loss. In reality, it results in a fairly heavy experience loss for the person being resurgemed (slightly less than praying though) and a minor experience loss for the person sacrificing. If the darknest were altered but also made to cause the person a similar experience loss there wouldn't be any issues - they'd still never have to pray.

EDIT: Actually, I guess there'd still be issues, but nothing as outrageous as the quoted post.


Yes, but we have to pay 10 power for a new bloody egg each time we use it. And frankly it needs -something-, it cannot stay the way it is that would just be pathetic.

You can ressurect people on adjacent planes, while the egg would be limited to the plane the egg is on.

Personally, I think this is the bare minimum that can be done to the construct to make it even worth looking at once in awhile.
Shiri2007-08-25 07:52:42
QUOTE(Daereth @ Aug 25 2007, 08:49 AM) 436035
Yes, but we have to pay 10 power for a new bloody egg each time we use it. And frankly it needs -something-, it cannot stay the way it is that would just be pathetic.

You can ressurect people on adjacent planes, while the egg would be limited to the plane the egg is on.

Personally, I think this is the bare minimum that can be done to the construct to make it even worth looking at once in awhile.


10 power for an egg is so minor, because you would transmigrate to Glomdoring where you're untouchable. You would essentially never lose experience. I would -love- for resurgem to cost the person being resurrected 10 power if one person could do it instead of 3 (it's not "always", just "usually", and it's a hassle for them) and if it didn't cost them any experience.

Also, you can't resurrect people on adjacent planes.

EDIT: You can also, as has already been mentioned, essentially never have to pray if you take 30 seconds to prepare beforehand and carry spores (which you already do). It's already worth using. This shouldn't be made to be -more- powerful than Magnagora's city-wide lichdom, which is already nutty and doesn't even get people out of the local area. Give darkrebirth, transmigrate and the egg thing a resurgem-equal experience loss and you might have an argument, but the fact that you don't lose anything to it is major.
Daereth2007-08-25 07:54:38
How about you come up with some ideas for our bloody construct then. suspicious.gif
Furien2007-08-25 07:55:36
Compare the egg to transmigration- ecologists use 18 power (8 to rezz an animal, 10 to deepbond) but can do it anywhere.

The egg has a decay time and is, I think, area-wide? For 10p. The decay time and range being subject to change.
Daereth2007-08-25 08:01:03
QUOTE(Furien @ Aug 25 2007, 02:55 AM) 436038
Compare the egg to transmigration- ecologists use 18 power (8 to rezz an animal, 10 to deepbond) but can do it anywhere.

The egg has a decay time and is, I think, area-wide? For 10p. The decay time and range being subject to change.


That is the only thing that can change, someones going to have to give in or we get screwed with a crap construct.

The decay time isn't even worth the 10p, and the range... why would I want a delayed-lich vitae when people can easily sit at my egg where I dropped it and wait for me to pop back up and kill me again?... worthless for raiding becuse I end up reborn in enemy territory un-deffed becuse it's area wide.
Shiri2007-08-25 08:12:55
Correction: you arrive one room from neutral territory. You have tumble, right? Instant safety. Or you can just spore for no experience loss. That's if they can find the egg, anyway.
Unknown2007-08-25 14:10:46
Did a Prime raid with the egg last night (we need more practice, hehe), and...the DarkNest is nice.

I'm quite happy with it as is. Not having to pray on a Prime raid is incredible; it is the epitome of wow, it is awesome manifest.

As I said earlier, I still think the egg should last longer. I think most will agree that paying 10p for an egg that lasts a single month is a bit lame?
Xenthos2007-08-25 14:27:29
QUOTE(Salvation @ Aug 25 2007, 10:10 AM) 436078
Did a Prime raid with the egg last night (we need more practice, hehe), and...the DarkNest is nice.

I'm quite happy with it as is. Not having to pray on a Prime raid is incredible; it is the epitome of wow, it is awesome manifest.

As I said earlier, I still think the egg should last longer. I think most will agree that paying 10p for an egg that lasts a single month is a bit lame?

By "nice," apparently if you have Vitae + dark rebirth, if you die the egg drops to the ground. You vitae. You cannot get your egg back, or get a new egg unless you die again sans vitae. *coughs*

It's really nowhere near as nice as you're trying to claim. It's got a ton of issues. With preparation it has some use, but that's about it. It's pretty lame when you're holding it, it's pretty lame if you're not doing a whole lot of dying. It's a very, very nerfed version of lich.