Er, isn't the less-xp loss rezz supposed to fire first? At least that's what people claim as the reason why conglute fires before vitae. If so, vitae firing before darkrebirth is likely a bug anyway.

Considering the egg triggers before conglut, yes the less-exp expensive one is supposed to trigger first. The Vitae-before-Rebirth is a bug.

It is very nice for hunting. It is very nice for raiding with preparation. I don't see what else it needs to be nice for past that? Not like you're going to use the egg unless you think you're going to die, anyways.

While I agree it's not quite as nice as Lich, I believe it would be better to nerf city-wide Lich than to upgrade DarkNest. Would make more sense, in any case.

At which point you would need to nerf soul-resurgem and soul-sacrifice... which I don't really see happening. Though I could be surprised!

Downgrading the lich construct would provoke such an incredibly larger outrage than upgrading the DarkNest.

This people is a perfect example of why you say no to drugs.

I don't know in which direction the discussion has swung now but looking at it again I do think it has uses.

Look at it this way: Without the construct you'll lose exp when you die. Either by vitae or conglut (assuming you don't have transmigrate or darkrebirth).

With the construct you get one free death. With a bit of preparation the egg can be better than lich as it lets you choose the location to reform in. IE you could put it right at the border of the enemy area, quite some distance away from where you might die.

For bashing especially it is probably very nice.

Transmig and DarkRebirth uses probably get screwed a bit, but then so do Transmig users for soul-rezz too. And Demigods lose out with -any- rezzing construct no matter what.

PS: Just get the egg when you need it.. it's much like paying 10p for drawdown / nightkiss each time you log on...

the discussion was never whether it was useful or not, at least not recently. the debate is whether or not it is on par with the other constructs of this type

You can't raid etherwilde with it, I don't see how the area restriction is of -any- use period. Serens can bloody suicide into the etherglom tree and still get ressurected, whereas were reborn in enemy territory and unless you've done ALOT of planning your dead again.

It lasts 1 month for 10 power.... waste of power.

Basicly a twice nerfed lich/rebirth.

1) Its "bonus" to Crow Users is that it gives "free crowform," so if you want to get its use, you still have to get one each time you log on... which means you're still paying 10p for Crowform either way.
2) Drawdown / Nightkiss give a 20% damage resist, mana regen, and +1 int, while this gives a rather dumbed down and bugged version of Lich.
Hmm.

Edit: And before you say that I'm complaining it doesn't give me anything-- it gives me a heck of a lot more than it gives non-Crow users. 10p Rebirth (which also seems a rather... erm... odd choice. I'd be fine with removing that part if the Construct's made more useful in general to the Commune as a whole).

There is no other construct of this type at this point. Glomdoring is the only org that currently has their second construct, Serenwilde only has the Moon construct. The DarkNest would have to be compared to a Stag construct.. which we do not have yet.




Why can't you raid EtherWilde with it? Let's say you raid EtherWilde and die. You'd conglutinate if you have the skill or you pray if you don't.

If you raid the EtherWilde -with- the egg you'd first reform at no cost. If you have a cubix this gives you the chance to get out. If you do not have one you'd have the chance to snort spores to get out. If all is monolithed then you'd be screwed with or without the egg anyhow.

To compare: Sure Serens could run into the Ravenwood on Ethereal but if they do it it -will- cost them experience whereas your egg gives you the chance to get out without any loss whatsoever. Also if the Serens have conglutinate then resurgem would be worthless to them in this case anyhow. If they do not then if the resurgem is done quickly enough it will save them some experience but they will -still- lose some. I've never been resurgemed so I cannot say, but from what I heard from Nejii and Alianna resurgem still costs you a fair amount of exp. More than vitae or conglut?



If you get the egg and make use of that free crowform, does the egg vanish? If not that means that for 24 hours you could crowform as often as you wish without any power cost. That's definitely better than having to pay 10p each time you log on. Especially if you have a bumpy connection.

Secondly, I think it is a different version of lich. I still remember liching when we raiding Serenwilde a long long time ago. With lich I didn't manage to find my way out in time, but had I had the time to bury the egg at a border I might not have had to pray back then. I'd say that lich has different advantages, uses and disadvantages than the egg. Neither is better or worse than the other though. They are simply different.

EDIT: I HATE MY ISP! Anyway.. are you saying the construct gives everyone DarkRebirth?

What are you talking about? The Darknest was released with the MoonAltar. They are both rez-related constructs. They are the comparisons, NOT the NightAltar/MoonAltar. The Stag Construct's effect will be the one to compare with the Night Altar. Simply because they're Crow/Stag and Moon/Night does not mean that the constructs themselves were designed to be counterparts to each other. It's pretty obvious that their primary effects are not.

That's exactly his point... he just said that resurgem gets someone out, while this doesn't. You have just agreed with him...


No, it's pretty blatantly a worse form of lich across the board. It's local area only, while lich allows you to hike on out if you want as a soul. If you're holding your egg, it falls to the ground-- and if you had vitae up, you vitae. You can't get your egg back and can't get a new one until that egg on the ground decays. Lich works anywhere. Egg requires you actually hike around and find your egg each time you leave (if I was to go raid Serenwilde as a non-Crow-user and didn't die, I'd have to go collect my egg from wherever I left it or I cannot get a new one until that decays).

It's a heck of a lot more work than lich, for less net effect.

And no. The construct simply gives anyone with DarkRebirth... DarkRebirth for 10p instead of 75 carrion, without breaking their normal DarkRebirth (so we each have 2x Dark Rebirth, one that costs 10p and one that costs 75 carrion). As I said-- this seems kind of unnecessary, and I'd be fine with ditching it in favour of making the Construct more useful in general. Dark Rebirth's supposed to have a cost of time to use. 10p is just... far, far too little for it. It needs the time aspect.

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this or not yet, but Penelope brought up a situation where you are forced (pooka, etc.) to hand over your egg, then someone takes it back to a place with guards/totem/giant zerg and you pop up there and...

If I was raiding Etherwilde and had my egg somewhere in the area out of the way and someone pooka'd me to hand over my egg and then took it back to the Tree and then I died. Well, I'm not really impressed with the egg when I have a no-xp-loss death and then pop up in enemy territory with guards, a totem, and enemies.

Though on the other hand, a Crow user could slip an egg into a shop owner's inventory, wait for the shop owner to go into a shop, and then heartstop...

Once done cleaning out the shop, simply heartstop again.

(This was also suggested by someone else, don't remember who at this point. Pentu, I believe, after I revived into a Glomdoring stockroom)

That's right, the main benefit of this construct is to rob shops! *coughs*

Lich also has the issue of eye sigils stopping movement. Just.. yesteday? there was that event on spectre isle. Almost all of magnagora had to pray (several times) because Celest dropped eye sigils, keeping them from liching to savety. If they had had an egg the egg could have rolled outside or they would probably have simply buried it outside of those underground rooms and not had to pray. It all dependso on the situation. Sometimes lich is more useful, sometimes the egg would be better.

Either way though, lich -and- the egg give you the chance for a non-cost death. Since this whole game seems to resolve around exp, this is a lot. Resurgem might reduce the loss you would have otherwise had from praying but you will -always- have an exp loss. And if you conglut then resurgem becomes pointless anyhow.

Again, I wouldn't say it is strictly worse but rather has to be used differently than you'd use lich. There's always going to be situations where lich is more useful, but there are also situations where the egg would give you a better chance to get out alive.

PS: Could ask for a skill like RECALL EGG To summon your egg to you.

PPS: 10p DarkRebirth.. why haven't you prime raided Seren to ashes yet?

Nah, that was also my suggestion. Not Pentu.

Eggs don't roll. And I haven't prime raided Seren to ashes yet for the same reason that I didn't with DarkRebirth #1-- I don't like playing that kind of game. I at least try to keep it enjoyable for people on some levels, which me just constantly harassing Seren would not be.

Maybe some sort of a aura or barrier or disgust emanating from the egg that a non-Glomdoring person can't bear the thought of receiving/touching it?

Or, better yet, a PLANT EGG command. Drops it on the ground and roots it firmly in place so that it can't be acquisitio'd or picked up by a non-Gloom.

Too much Pen.

Pen x3, I guess.