Currently, after completing a project to adorn the Paladins in tabards, a problam has arrived. The problem is this, you can not wear a coat or cloak or cape with a tabard. Now you can proof a tabard, but by wearing a tabard you give up a valuable proofing. Knights already have given up two proofings via the fullplate/fieldplate.

My propose ideas are:

Option 1: Allow a cloak or cape or coat to be worn over a tabard. However this can be hard given the body part coverage issues.... soooo

Option 2: Allow tabards to hold two proofings. And no cloak, coat or cape allowed to be worn with them.

Neither makes any sort of sense. You should've thought of that before you decided to go around handing out tabards.

You can wear both a coat and a cloak.

I was not aware of this problem before hand, and in terms of 'neither' making sense. Cloaks and capes were frequently worn over tabards, hell, a tabard is most often just a piece of cloth with a hole cut into it for the head, worn over armor. If you can't wear a cloak over a tabard, you shouldn't be about to wear it over armor.

Prove it, please. I don't see why tabards should be made outright superior to cloaks (Cutting profits for tailors who won't be able to sell a cloak and coat) or why the whole wear location system needs to be revamped to accommodate a rather unlikely exception. Either stick to your roleplay regardless of the gameplay issues it engenders or just ignore your roleplay; in this case, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Ummm...


Just make tabards replace cloaks if worn so you can wear a coat and cloak or tabard and cloak.

No ones suggesting they should be outright superior, Verithrax. Nor would the wear location system need to be 'revamped'. As is if you can't wear a tabard and cloak at the same time the placement of the tabard in the wear location system is just plain wrong. And there's nothing unlikely about any of it really. Do you even know what a tabard is Veri?


The only thing not making sense is your 'argument', a stretch to call it that.

Yes, I know what a tabard is, and in reality the only wear location that makes sense for them is neck and torso; the wear location system would have to be modified to allow for tabards to be worn over coats or under cloaks, the latter of which makes no sense. And if they can receive two proofings, then yes, they would be downright superior to a coat or a cloak, besides being an odd kludge that shouldn't be put in the codebase anyway. Just harden the hell up and live with only one proofing.

If the admin weren't working on anything right now, maybe I'd support adding a fourth layer to wear locations (over-overwear?) which would include tabards and cloaks (And possibly other stuff). This would make tabards wearable over a coat but not with a cloak (Which makes some sense.) Changing their wear location probably wouldn't, but I suppose it can be done for the sake of convenience.

It's just silly that people keep arguing mechanics vs. roleplay (Or bitching for the admin to waste time changing game mechanics to accomodate their roleplay). If tabards are plainly inferior, then paladins wouldn't wear tabards and it makes more roleplay sense for them to wear a cloak over a coat than a tabard.

All your post shows is a complete lack of understanding for where a tabard would be worn and how a cloak would be worn with it. And how a coat makes little sense to be worn with one.

Bzzt! Wrong, but thanks for playing.

What's that under his tabard? Oh right. That's a COAT.

Looks more like a jacket to me... Coats can be either male/female jackets or overcoats and I believe, in the case of Lusternia, majority of us see them more as overcoats than the aforementioned.

I do hope there's some easy way of fixing this, allow them capes at least, please! That's straight out evil to give warriors a tabard pattern which they can emblazon with their coat of arms and are great for RP and then force them to sacrifice a proofing to be able to wear it.

Coat is a general pattern which can be used for things resembling jackets, overcoats or surcoats.

That is also one of the more ornate tabards. If you find, and look at some of the plainer ones, you will find them a hell of a lot more accommodating for cloaks. You could wear a cloak over that, it would look a little weird yes, but you could. Also, a cape which attaches at the shoulder typically would make perfect sense.

I honestly think Verithrax, that you are just arguing for arguments sake right now, especially having seen very similar arguments about this issue before.

A cape that attaches to the shoulder would attach either to the epaulets of a coat or to the pauldrons or spaulders of plate mail; even the least ornate tabards still cover the shoulders, making the whole arrangement unlikely.

ETA: What should the wear location of a tabard be so that it wouldn't conflict with either coats or cloaks?

I'd put a tabard in the same place as a coat. But that is obviously not what you think should be done.

Also, who is to say a cape can not be attached to the shoulders of a tabard?

There is no velcro in Lusternia.

Buttons, pins, using brooches, oh my god, stop being narrow minded, and just arguing because you want to argue. There is a big world outside of your little box.

Eh. The problem is really with wear locations; tabards don't really have a wear location that suits them (There's no shoulder wear location, is there? If there is tabards should be moved there).

I still think, however, that wearing a cape over a tabard would make you look like an over-accessorised buffoon.

None of that will convince the Admins either way really, but for the sake of the argument...

That looks like a plain tabard to me

I'd have no problem wearing a cape or, Nil forbid, a cloak over it.

But that is not what the problem is. The problem is that we want something from the overwear category to be compatible with a tabard, whether it would go under it, over it or inside it - I don't care.

I also think the problem is that he is 'red' and you are 'blue'.

I'm only half red. (In the original Wizards test I came one question short of getting blue)

Red/black ftw. If only because there is nothing that you can't butcher.

Except enchantments. I hat eenchantments. Just to derail it entirely.

Damnation, I knew if I say that the thread will just derail at an amazing speed...

So hm... double colours huh *goes off to check*