Your secret identity is finally revealed Volroc! The guild leadership will be stable now I'm here, no need to worry *nods me*.

I'm newish so I can't comment on any prior guild experience but i think 20 ranks does work if there is not a high leader turnover, which is unfortunately the case in the geos, if their not leader, their often not active. This also impacts guild ranks for novices as my secretary gf as GR5 did almost nothing for novices, while some novices aim for GR19's like Revan, Hallen etc to get faster rank.

So my point being..it is imbalanced for gfs, but is reasonable normally (Even if I have yet to see past GR8) as gfing can also be a political practice and not just nepotistic while certain families grasp for power. It's probably more a guild's responsibility to reward their members without needing set tasks alone, although I love the Ur'guard idea of commendations and garrateed rank rise after so many.

Not until you marry a Kalas. Or until I get bored in Seren. Whichever comes first.

The Sentinels in Achaea used to bump everyone between gr3 and 10 up one rank every few years, for small services that would otherwise not be favoured taken by themselves. I got three ranks out of it before I went semi-dormant. It was actually kind of fun to read the logs every day and figure out who you should be favoring that day, in addition to just being rewarding to the people getting the rank.

Actually, I've mentioned it before. Everyone here just sucks at remembering.

I don't really see the point in having more than ten guild ranks, especially because 75% of them aren't going to be used.

Once someone gets up to GR 5 or so, they're probably going to be available to be in one of the leadership positions soon, which neatly puts them at GR 19 once their tenure is over, thus making ranks 6-18 useless.

Besides, some of the guildranks feel like they were straining to come up with names when they were made. But that's just me.

Heheh, you are only an 'Apprentice Bard' once you hit rank 16 in our guild. I just thought it was kinda amusing.

Most of the Harbinger Guildranks are noises. I feel bad for Nirrti and Co. having to come up with all of those.

The highest non-leader GR I ever saw as a Nihilist was 10 and the highest non-leader GR we have in the Harbingers is 8. It is super hard to gain rank once you get to 7 or so.

What sort of noises?

1) A Blank Note.
2) A Rustle of Leaves.
3) A Whisper from Shadows.
4) A Scream Amidst the Trees.
5) A Rhythm of Wings.
6) A Hum of the Wasp.
7) A Hiss of the Snake.
8) A Howl of the Wind.
9) A Melody of Locusts.
10) A Voice in the Wilderness.
11) A Call of the Wolf.
12) A Caw of Crow.

Oh! Those are nice!

If we're in the mood of posting ranks (which you can see in HELP GUILDRANKS)

1) An understudy.
2) A serenader.
3) A sunlit dancer.
4) A singer of hope.
5) A lyricist of the wood.
6) A spinner of tales.
7) A spirit songsmith.
8) A chanter of the wilde.
9) A prodigy of Serenwilde.
10) A Musician to the Spirits.
11) A Guardian of Lore.
12) Moonhart's Musician.
13) A Singer of Chuchip's word.
14) A Keeper of Nintoba's Lament.
15) A Soloist of Stag.
16) Moon's Nightingale.
17) Hart's Storyteller.
18) A Singer of the Great Tree Spirit's Lullaby.
19) Voice of the Ancestral Spirits.
GM: The Ward of the Keyll Arrane.
AD: The Weaver of the Cuirr Arrane.
CH: The Guardian of the Arrey Arrane.

Wow. We're some fruity skippy bards.

Not to mention some grammar errors..

Those aren't fruity skippy...*peer* Those are perfectly good.

The Harbinger ones are great too. No one gets to bitch about GRs unless they're worse than the ones Moondancers used to have with "pooka molestor" and goodness knows what else.

I'd totally join Moondancers if that is true.

We got rid of them, thanks to Elryn and Lisaera.

I don't think it was actually Pooka Molester. Pooka Examiner, wasn't it? Or something. They were total crap. I'm surprised we didn't have Brownie Spankers or Leprechaun Lickers.

Oh I can just see it:

(Moondancers) You say, "Thanks for the GF!"

(Moondancers) You say, "..."

(Serenwilde) You say, "Crap... I'm a brownie spanker."

Massive silence in Serenwilde...

(Serenwilde) You say, "Uhmm mis?"

Wasn't there a dryad tickler or something like that?
I remember a lot of crying when I got to see the guildranks, there must be forum posts about that somewhere in teh forums.

Those are cool.

The only rank in the Shadowdancers that I don't really like is, "A Pariah." We spend a lot of time talking about how everyone in Glomdoring's equal, and the cause is the same for everyone, so why the heck would anyone be considered a pariah? Otherwise, they're super keen.

Paladins are kinda nice. But they are a bit too specific for my taste. Not to mention that I got killed because I was listed as a Defender of Truth, if I recall. Defenders of Truth are Paladin Undersecretaries.

1 A Squire.
2 A Soldier at Arms.
3 A Student of Chivalry.
4 A Myrmidon of the Light.
5 A Defender of Justice.
6 A Cordelier of the Light.
7 A Champion of the Faith.
8 A Vanquisher of Darkness.
9 A Liberator of Injustice.
10 A Conqueror of Demons.
11 A Chevalier of the Dawning Hope.
12 A Crusader of the Holy Flame.
13 A Knight of the Holy Light.
14 A Knight of Shakiniel.
15 A Knight of Methrenton.
16 A Superior Knight in the Armies of Light.
17 In the Order of the Celestial Light.
18 In the Order of the Holy Flame.
19 In the Order of the Star Knights.
GM: Lord General of the Armies of Light. - Guildmaster
AD: Grand Inquisitor. - Guild Administrator
CH: Shakiniel's Charge. - Guild Champion

I have noted and commented several times that the only ranks I see are 1-10 and 19-20. It's just how it goes it seems. Although, it is rare to see guildfavours.

I do like the secretary rank though, and the admin rank. Inquisitor is such a fun title to throw around when talking to another Knight when a Page or three are present.

(The Archons still won't let us have a dissection room or holding cells in the Keep.)

Moondancers have some nice ones now, I remember the old ones. Some really were bad.

Hartstone's good, except number 12.

Number 12 can go far away.