Ah my mistake indeed, meant deaden and slickness. Asthma was assumed by demon..

People feared a tarot anor asthma slickness aeon combo.. which we cant do. Period.. if you have asthma you dont have aeon.

-As for hypersomnia.. cant give it to wiccans
-Blacklung.. still cant be with wiccans.. enough balance loss and you might not even need ecto.. kidding. Epilepsy isnt frequent.. but that might help with locks using crucify as an angle.

I like alot of the ideas given so far.. and I may or may not have enough to move on.. I will see about what has been mentioned so far and go over it with envoys. Then I will speak to some hexists and Nihilists and such to get bearings on the offense at that point if they all were done.

Though by all means continue your discussion may get various useful things.

EDIT: I said before Xavius.. you dont need a guarantee wipe the floor method.. however there is often a time where you can say.. I won if I dont mess up. For instance crit crit crit wounds as an Axelord, you can say bam execute.. when you see wounds are satcking well and that you arent being pinnedn you can say gg. As a nihilist tarotist I can assume when they are below 50% and hindered I can still web or shackles and finish.. if I see a cure I can say drat, redo it.

for sd shuck gives black lung and it doesnt seem to make the user overpowered just gives a slight edge..i have a real urge (if i had the credits) to make a nihilist hexen properly seems to me it could be possible to use but youd have to learn to fight a battle of attrition on anyone that can cure and burst kill anyone that cant..

Define "battle of attrition". Do you mean waiting for them to get bored and go home, inject caffine directly into you eyeballs and wait for the other guy to fall asleep at the keyboard, or wait for them them run out of herbs?

more along the lines of, rather then amissio whoring then wracking in one blast, slowly wear them down over time then take them out after a fight for example

Wouldn't they sip mana at some point?

yes well done you grasp some sense of basic curing...anyway im in favour of the feed technique me and malarious just tested..

I'm kinda surprised more people don't go the hunger method anyway. That was a (relatively) big thing in Aetolia with Occultists. Belch+the ent that gave hunger (not the bloodleech)+feed. You could have people passing out pretty quickly. I guess it's considered cheap, but it's not really any different than dreamweaving.

Maybe an upgrade to worms. Combine gluttony+anorexia (that's the bulimia one, right?) and then go for hunger attrition. Especially nice in a Geo demesne.

You'll be quite disappointed by making a hexen Nihilist. As I said before I've already tested hexes, and the power cost of skills are simply too high for hexes to do any good.

The atrrition he meant was using worms to stop eating and using feed once every say 10 seconds.. and trying to starve them... (10 feed is starving) AKA a really really long fight that is stopped by eating. As stated its questionable at best.

And remmeber the rule.. combat evolves.. as hunger gets more used people will start carrying preserved food into battles they may need it.

Ideas seeing with envoys on and thoughts back:

Ectoplasm not being seen through blackout (seems agreed on) however adding ecto isnt going well

Making a new necromancy skill that can give hypersomnia, slickness, or black lung (unless some are seen fit to add to normal hexes). Yays and nays both.. some like it being its own skill.. others dont want to add anything to necro.. even something with specialized use. Each afflict would have its own message when used on someone.

Inscribing in a hex... oddresults.. people arent sure its reason

Reducing power cost on crucify to allow it to be more central.. heavy objection

Thoughts comments concerns?

problem with adding skills to necromancy is that the Ur'guard get it too.

Skill needs a name and some rp maybe a desc....

Name:
Syntax: DARKCALL
Effect: Gives one of a variety of ails you can choose

Possible afflictions that could be used on top on slickness, blacklung, and hypersomnia: Pox, confusion, crotamine, worms, and/or vomiting.

Looking for fill in for it... with ideas lookin like this

Name:
Syntax: (DARKCALL is nihilism)
Effect:
Ailments:

As a note each affliction will come with its affliction line.. this wont be a way to cloak any, other than in vapors/blackout of course.

thoros, ive tried nihilist hexen before though admittedly not very much (no trans skills) and i plan to again, however the power costs your talking about dont have to be used, once you get someone starving you can have them unconscious for 8 seconds every so often this is time for you to easily sacrifice them for example, yes it takes time but its still possible

Can you tell us what the problem with crucify having a reduced power cost is?

Also, what about contagion giving black lung?

not 100% sure but this tactic at level 80 goes plop wouldn't it? no need for food an all?

no level 80 only stops you from getting hungry naturally, it doesnt effect people using skills to make you hungry

Keep in mind that essentially, anything you put in contagion you give to the entire city of Magnagora. Liches breath contagion.

Contagion is also random... you cant guarantee you will get something as needed.. contagion also cures before tick if you know what you get.. nothing hits right away they all delay, except maybe for worms.

Who is against crucify power cost reduction? Alot. Why? Reducing that cost means cheaper sacrifice for everyone, means everyone could crucify two times in a row, etc. Believe they dont want it to be easily usable twice in a row.. as that means you could crucify and crucify right away when they get off (if you have eq).

Would be nice to work with.. but not seeing it coming right now.

This -entire- tactic is totally negated by bringing food. You could afflict with worms and prevent them from getting full with food however, most people I know diagnose and do a scan for worms before eating any food, thus making sure they will get full.

theyd have to bring an infinite supply of food or eventually run as you can keep going forever, my point was it is possible hard but possible. though i do think they could use a small boost...

Yay 200th post I think...

Umm... if you are having that long a fight then your opponent cant be making ground.. that is mostly a stale mate with a REALLY long length before starving is assured.. sips are more likely to wear out. Which is why you use addiction :> run em outta mana then BAM spam amissio. if they dont automatically cry and wait for delivery on it or something... but you shouldnt need 10 mins to win a fight (other than knight to knight who have the armor for it).