Basically just polling for ideas / helpful comments on these two abilities.

Currently, only the Blacktalon really get a lot of use from them (Crowform melds with a Blacktalon in useful ways). There is far less benefit to an Ebonguard, and Stagform is kind of weak in general.

We had submitted a 10% damage resistance to Crowform / Stagform (due to the agile nature of the Stag / trickiness of the Crow, you are able to move in such a way as to reduce the damage taken slightly). It was intended to be about half as useful as Nightkiss / Drawdown, since Druids really don't need much more than that. Anyways, it got turned down as-is.

So, other than that-- what do you think would be useful for these two abilities?

Maybe have Stagform boost something other than Dexterity.

I mean, I understand why from an RP point, but it doesn't do me a whole lot of good. At all.

EDIT: Con might be a better idea. Its a useful stat for Warriors and Druids. And everyone else.

Mainly looking for something that's useful "in general" (not a combat thing). I'm not sure that changing the statpoint would actually work, as it is part of the RP of the skills-- they've got lots of neat little "utility" things, one combat thing, and nothing that really makes them worth casting unless you're prepared to use that combat thing.

Something that is useful all-around seems to be called for. Another idea was giving them a form of bard dodging, but I'm not really sure what percentages would be appropriate (warriors in fullplate getting to completely dodge PvP attacks? Hmm... seems kind of excessive).

I always used Stagform and usually only for the increased number of rooms I could move before getting the hasty message. I hate the hasty message. 10p is pretty good in comparison to the price of the artifact that does the same thing too.

Instead of damage resistance, how about if it modifies weapon/kudgel damage in some way? Kudgel will then suck less, and warriors will get a benefit out of it. Not as noticeable as a weapon rune, of course, but something of some sort.

Only problem is figuring out what to modify the damage to.

Stagform should give CON instead of DEX.

give some kind of weapon aura or some way to add more damage output

Like, 30% more damage from X type for cudgel, 15% for two-handed weapons and 7% for one handed weapons

wounding auras! give us free +10% wounding aura!

Doesn't stagform/crowform give +10 to weapon stats? Or was that just drawdown/nightaura?

That's just drawdown/nightkiss.

We don't get it, and I doubt we ever will. Too alike to Night/Moon, just like the D.R.

Well, it had started as an idea for the different forms, but really, anyone with a Totem spec should always have the benefit of the associated spiritbond, i.e. people with Stag never have to bond with him because they naturally have a connection because of their advanced study.

Second idea was to have the forms buff the associated spiritbond, but then I realized that Drawdown and Stagform basically already do that, with the mana regen and haste. So I'm all out of ideas, really.

i thought stagform gave health regen?

It does.

Stagform gives you +1 dex (I assume this is just +1 weight now), one level of racial health regen, lessens the power cost on certain Stag skills, and lets you move two more rooms before you get the hasty message.

Boosting constitution instead of dexterity would be fairly useless to a warrior such as myself, with the weighting system. I get a boost in dexterity because I have nothing else boosting it. I have a few things boosting constitution, however, so I would see no difference if something else tried boosting it further.

I'd like to do increased wounds, but that would likely be imbalanced and wouldn't help the druids at all. I'd like some resistance to shadows, too, such as not killing all my regeneration abilities or slowing my actions so much, but again, not going to happen.

well if the aim is to help druids more then a boost to con would be a good change then right? it still helps warriors, making it easier to get to the next con point via favours, lowmagic yellow, astrology blessings, and such.

Just a not-so-tender prod.

I'm still watching the thread and looking for ideas-- I'm not sure that a con-point is it, though.

How about:

Stagform:
Change +1 Dex to +1 Con
Removes Swiftstripes/Lightning's downside

Crowform:
Change regeneration to work in trees
Bonenose/Spiderweb (or whatever it is) have their effect boosted by a large percentage (not sure what original is, though I'm thinking something along the lines of from 33% to 50%).

Sounds good to me. Although the Stagform change seems to help runic druids mostly, since they're the only ones who really use balance and equilibrium in pretty equal amounts, unless I'm forgetting something with warriors.

No, please no. Firstly, Swiftstripes/Lightning facepaints are part of Stag but not Stagform, so that's confusing and/or irrelevant to the thread. Secondly, +1 Con will be next to useless for a warrior, as I think I already mentioned.