Unknown2007-06-27 01:57:51
QUOTE(Furien @ Jun 26 2007, 08:54 PM) 420882
A few more pages of this thread have made me very happy for not being a very religious person.
Are you kidding? You're even WORSE!
I'll tell you why as soon as I'm done opening Microsoft Word.
(just kidding)
Diamondais2007-06-27 02:00:17
QUOTE(Refugee @ Jun 26 2007, 09:57 PM) 420883
You'll be happy all right, right up until you're cast into the fiery chasm of hell!!!
Sounds like a hell of a time.
Xavius2007-06-27 02:05:18
QUOTE(Refugee @ Jun 26 2007, 08:57 PM) 420883
You'll be happy all right, right up until you're cast into the fiery chasm of hell!!!
Unknown2007-06-27 02:06:22
QUOTE(Xavius @ Jun 26 2007, 09:05 PM) 420887
Wow. Evidently, all religions DO lead to the same place.
I retract my arguments.
Verithrax2007-06-27 02:07:11
QUOTE(Hazar @ Jun 26 2007, 10:45 PM) 420875
It's an excellent example of channeling faith through an almost entirely artificial construction. Existentialist hegelian self-determination ftw.
That applies to every religion. All religions are constructed; they have to start somewhere after all. Does it matter if it was some weirdo carpenter in the first century AD or a bunch of overemotional poets high on absinthe in the nineteenth century?
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 26 2007, 10:46 PM) 420877
So maybe say Catholics instead of Christains?
Yeah, go ahead, pile all the blame on the Catholics, like they don't have enough guilt already.
Hazar2007-06-27 02:09:26
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 26 2007, 09:07 PM) 420889
That applies to every religion. All religions are constructed; they have to start somewhere after all. Does it matter if it was some weirdo carpenter in the first century AD or a bunch of overemotional poets high on absinthe in the nineteenth century?
More obviously constructed, then.
Xavius2007-06-27 02:11:11
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 26 2007, 09:07 PM) 420889
That applies to every religion. All religions are constructed; they have to start somewhere after all. Does it matter if it was some weirdo carpenter in the first century AD or a bunch of overemotional poets high on absinthe in the nineteenth century?
I like the retard with a speech impairment up on a mountain that got made fun of back at camp.
Sylphas2007-06-27 05:55:12
QUOTE(Refugee @ Jun 26 2007, 09:42 PM) 420871
When people say that they believe that religions are the same, I believe that they by and large don't mean that they believe that what the religions pupport to teach is the same, just that the very act of being spiritual carries you to the same final destination.
I understood what you meant the first time I read that. It took me four more tries to figure out exactly how you said it, though. And I thought I had horrid sentence structure at times.
Anyway, I'm pagan. I don't care that the concept of neo-paganism is incredibly new, relative to most religions. I don't care that actual pagan beliefs were "watered down." I believe what I believe, and that's the category that's the best fit.
On the topic of "watered down" beliefs. How can you water down a belief? You either believe something, or you don't. You can water down a belief system, of course. It happens all the time even with various Christian denominations; each of them could be portrayed as a diluted and muddled version of most of the rest. That doesn't really matter though, unless you're a reconstructionist who claims to have resurrected the entire belief system as a whole. Not many do, because most ancient belief systems are ludicrously out of place in the modern world, as evidenced by how whole books of the Judeo-Christian scriptures are basically ignored.
I believe many silly things that cannot be proven, and some that have been more or less disproven. I know this, and it doesn't cause me to believe in them any less.
Unknown2007-06-27 19:28:18
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Jun 27 2007, 01:55 AM) 420978
Anyway, I'm pagan. I don't care that the concept of neo-paganism is incredibly new, relative to most religions. I don't care that actual pagan beliefs were "watered down." I believe what I believe, and that's the category that's the best fit.
Thank the Gods! I'm not alone! *Glomp*
... yes... can we all remember this thread was created to identify the various Pagans who play Lusternia...?
Saaga2007-06-28 08:09:52
I am a old way Finnish Pagan but I draw on somewhere between shamanism, kalevala-beliefs, wicca and asatru. I am a high priestess of a Coven and I celebrate the cycle of the year. I am rather surprised that not many of us are actually Pagan, given that pagans very often hold an interest towards fantasy.
Saaga2007-06-28 08:13:58
Aye, it has been known that Hitler used quite a few pagan rites and even tried to launch his quite own belief system of some kind of sun worship.
Saran2007-06-28 10:27:30
QUOTE(Hazar @ Jun 27 2007, 11:45 AM) 420875
Paganism. Mhmm. Constructed religion. Let's face it - where does it come from? The 19th century Romantic movement, with it's passion for stealing anything it found pretty or interesting and jamming it into a semi-coherent hedonistic whole. It started on the rich eccentric fringe, with groups like the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and slowly moved into the more generalized fringe in time for people like Alistair Crowley to make up and call it epiphany. Early neo-pagans were very personality-centered. Groups formed and fell apart on the basis of strong personalities. Some of them were cults; some of them were social clubs; some of them were approximations of actual religious grouping. Neo-pagans - particularly the ones who call themselves wiccan - are still living in that shadow. Personality is central to a lasting circle.
It's an excellent example of channeling faith through an almost entirely artificial construction. Existentialist hegelian self-determination ftw.
It's an excellent example of channeling faith through an almost entirely artificial construction. Existentialist hegelian self-determination ftw.
lol this one I found humorous, from what I've read some of the old old beliefs that the christians stamped out had their holidays assimilated... Yule/Christmas (it's borg-like yet uncool somehow), I also remember something about teachings that were hidden with a holy and angelic appearance so that their beliefs would be preserved. Others say that their families kept their belief secret and passed them down, because it's now safe(and I mean seriously because there have been laws only recently removed that banned witchcraft and all that) they've started talking about them.
Either way I generally identify as a Pagan and agree with the belief that all gods are just facets of the one, I'm not one for big social things so I'm just solitary. One of the reasons I can't believe in the bible is simply because of the hate it brings and has brought, that and the mistranslations.