psh the bleeding can't even be compared with the raw damage of your staff or an aqua or geo staff. which can do room attacks too.

Didn't we have this same discussion about Kaervas at one point? How, "no one should be that tanky" ?

I mean is he really any more tanky than say, Ixion, or Ashteru? (honest question)

we did? I remember one about Ashteru, Ashteru might actually be tankier cause he has a sip bonus and more con, no putre but he has drink and nightkiss

I'm not making a mistake, those are just the organizations that seem to have it happen recently.

The issue with Greaterpentragram is that if they drop a mono, and have a Geomancer drop a Stonewall...you can't get past it. You have to wait and watch while they tank your 20 or 30 guards and promptly leave. It's impossible to help them.

There are ways to bypass GreatPent, but Seren doesn't know cuz they don't fight it everyday like Celest does.

Secondly, yes, nerf kephera, and give them an elemental weakness(s) (cold + poison, level 1 and level 2 respectively) and remove the ability for them to wear robes. There is a BIG difference when I am Mugwump and when I am Kephera, and that big difference is I can't bash guards as a Mugwump.

As a kephera, 55/50 robes, demonscales, rune of gripping (52/52 shield), rune of absorption, no putrefaction.

4032h, 4336m, 4762e, 5p, 19353en, 11389w exkdb<>-
A centaur hunter growls at you, swinging the butt of his spear to connect against your head.
Hefting his spear, a centaur hunter drives it into you, stabbing you in the side.
Hefting his spear, a centaur hunter drives it into you, stabbing you in the side.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
A centaur hunter growls at you, swinging the butt of his spear to connect against your head.
Rearing up on his hind legs, a centaur hunter batters you with his hooves.
A magic aura flares around you and completely absorbs the damage.
Rearing up on his hind legs, a centaur hunter batters you with his hooves.
3762h, 4336m, 4762e, 5p, 19353en, 11389w exkdb<>-changeling into mugwump
******Changed into a Mugwump at this point because they were gathering forced and I wanted to gtfo******
You reach out and embrace your hidden heritage of a changeling, and slowly transform into a mugwump.
You bleed 6 health.
4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-
4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-stand
symbol strike centaur

4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-
4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-stand
abjure quickening

4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-stand
abjure quickening

4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-stand
abjure quickening

Clanking loudly, a dwarf sentry enters from the south.
4174h, 5926m, 4471e, 5p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-
stand
abjure quickening
Hefting his spear, a centaur hunter drives it into you, stabbing you in the side.
Hefting his spear, a centaur hunter drives it into you, stabbing you in the side.
A centaur hunter growls at you, swinging the butt of his spear to connect against your head.
3225h, 5926m, 4471e, 6p, 19800en, 28530w xkdb<>-
stand
abjure quickening
read 97132
stand
abjure quickening
stand
abjure quickening
stand
abjure quickening
Focusing your entire will upon the cosmic strands that bind your own body, you quicken every fiber of your being to lightning speed.
3259h, 5701m, 4471e, 3p, 19800en, 28500w xkdb<>-


4 hits that were'nt absorbed, less than 100 damage a piece, as a Kephera. As a Mugwump, when three hit, things got nasty, but I was able to tank it with putting up putre, although if they were going to cudgel me like last time, I would have surely died.

sick :censor:.

Total of 270 dmg from 4 guards.

An average of....65-70 damage per guard.

You should see the damage of bulls when I link astral as a kephera. I think at one point I had 24 bulls in the room.

I thought you had a one room range with just rad, and staffsling gave a line of sight range?

psh it's not like we don't know how to bypass greater pent. our main method got nerfed by a mono stupid sigil. No one wants to be a runist cause the skill is lame and expensive. we have few druids and even fewer ones involved with combat. And we don't get to beckon like you city people with demons and angels do.

Single room, then outside room/elevation.

Like I said, you don't know how to bypass greatpent. Those aren't the only ways, and bugger beckon, it doesn't work when I'm off balance killing guards.

i only mentioned the previous ways to bypass it. I still have my own.

I'm confused - can you hit people one room away from you without StaffSling? I'm not sure if, by "single room," you mean just the single room you are in, or the room you are in and the rooms a single room away.

Staffsling allows you to sling one room out, or at a person on a different elevation, if I remember correctly.

For normal sling, it's the same room as you. For staffsling it's one room away but you don't have to target, it'll automatically zoom off to where ever the person is.


Correct.

4116h, 3308m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15940w xk-
The end of Pentu's cudgel forms a knotty burl and she points it at you. The burl
pops and ruptures, shooting a barrage of splinters into your flesh.
CUDGEL, THE 'BETTER' DRUID ATTACK
3974h, 3308m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15940w xk-
You bleed 64 health.
3910h, 3308m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15940w xk-clot

3910h, 3248m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15928w xk-clot

3910h, 3188m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15928w xk-'only magic resist is Biofeedback

You say, "Only magic resist is Biofeedback."
3910h, 3188m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15928w xk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3910h, 3188m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15928w exk-
You bleed 16 health.
3894h, 3188m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15940w exk-
Pentu gives you the once over.
3894h, 3188m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15940w exk-'410 or so from that, 64 bleeding

Pentu points her talisman at you. It glows and you gasp as pain shoots through
your body.
THAT IS NATURE CURSE, THE -NOVICE- ATTACK
3123h, 3188m, 3584e, 10p, 20980en, 15940w exk-



Rofl?

Edit: Looks like copy-pasting dropped a 1.

You ticked kingdom in there, but...yeah, pretty much.

But we can safely assume any fighter who considers themselves fighters know to use kingdom?
As do many fighters who don't consider themselves fighters. Or maybe it's just me.

Oh you fixed it, no fair.

142 damage and 62 bleeding.

That's as Keph though.

...and no ones going to argue they don't need to be nerfed.

Also, if they're this good when used by classes they're not meant to be, they're going to be even more OMGWTFBBQ for monks.

Biofeedback = monk skill.