Okin2007-07-12 14:44:27
With nine sleeps to go, and having just seen Order of the Phoenix for the second time, I'm getting a little bit excited. I'd really like to know what people think is going to happen, or what your theories are.
ONE SLEEP TO GO
I think that Dumbledore's really dead, but the Snape is working for him still. I think Dumbledore made Snape agree to kill him when the time came, because Dumbledore knew that would convince Voldemort that Snape was completely a Death Eater, and that Snape will redeem himself at some crucial moment.
I think the sixth Horcrux (in addition to the book, the cup, the locket, the snake and the ring) is Harry himself.
I think Harry will die, and if he doesn't, I shall be mightily disappointed. He's a tragic hero; he needs the resolution.
I think the sixth Horcrux (in addition to the book, the cup, the locket, the snake and the ring) is Harry himself.
I think Harry will die, and if he doesn't, I shall be mightily disappointed. He's a tragic hero; he needs the resolution.
ONE SLEEP TO GO
Elyrian2007-07-12 14:55:36
I am not really sure what is going to happen,
I would like to see these questions answered, but I am not sure they are going to be.
I dont like to think that dumbledore is dead.
I am torn as to what I want to happen, if Dumbledore is really dead then I want Harry to live, but if Harry has to die I want Dumbledore to live.
The other questions I want answered properly is Sirius, is he really dead? or not? and also why is harry safe at the Dursleys house? is Mrs Dursley a witch too?
I am torn as to what I want to happen, if Dumbledore is really dead then I want Harry to live, but if Harry has to die I want Dumbledore to live.
The other questions I want answered properly is Sirius, is he really dead? or not? and also why is harry safe at the Dursleys house? is Mrs Dursley a witch too?
I would like to see these questions answered, but I am not sure they are going to be.
Hazar2007-07-12 14:58:29
Remember the magic powers cited for blood, love, and promises.
Harry isn't going to die. Neville is. Think about it and it will make sense.
But Harry isn't going to be happy with himself.
Okin2007-07-12 15:26:03
@Elyrian:
From JK Rowling Official Site:
Then, later, to clarify:
So there's more to her than meets the eye, but she's not a Squib or a witch.
I'm not sure why you would think Sirius wasn't dead, but the new movie seems to clinch it. Instead of the non-specific spell Bellatrix uses in the book, which merely pushes him through the archway, she uses Avada Kedavra. I'm pretty sure he's dead.
Harry is safe at the Dursleys because his mother gave her life for him, and Aunt Petunia has the same blood flowing through her veins, so while he's living with her that protection is still in effect.
QUOTE
Q:Is Aunt Petunia a Squib?
A:Good question. No, she is not, but—. No, she is not a Squib. She is a Muggle, but—. You will have to read the other books. You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.
A:Good question. No, she is not, but—. No, she is not a Squib. She is a Muggle, but—. You will have to read the other books. You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.
Then, later, to clarify:
QUOTE
Aunt Petunia has never performed magic, nor will she ever be able to do so.
So there's more to her than meets the eye, but she's not a Squib or a witch.
I'm not sure why you would think Sirius wasn't dead, but the new movie seems to clinch it. Instead of the non-specific spell Bellatrix uses in the book, which merely pushes him through the archway, she uses Avada Kedavra. I'm pretty sure he's dead.
Harry is safe at the Dursleys because his mother gave her life for him, and Aunt Petunia has the same blood flowing through her veins, so while he's living with her that protection is still in effect.
Elyrian2007-07-12 15:34:44
QUOTE(Okin @ Jul 13 2007, 12:56 AM) 425043
I'm not sure why you would think Sirius wasn't dead, but the new movie seems to clinch it. Instead of the non-specific spell Bellatrix uses in the book, which merely pushes him through the archway, she uses Avada Kedavra. I'm pretty sure he's dead.
The idea that Sirius is not dead comes from speculation around at the time of that book, that is the reason for the non discript spell in the book, just because the movie chose to change that, does not make it accurate. The other thing is the conversation between Luna and Harry about not always having lost what you think you have.
I am not saying that he is alive, but I am saying that the books have not told us that he is deffinitely dead!!
I also still think that there is more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye. ;-)
Unknown2007-07-12 15:42:25
Elyrian,
we don't know what the Ministry was doing with it in there, (maybe it was supposed to be a quiet way of executing people) but it's been made quite clear that Anyone who goes through the Archway disappears and is dead. There is really no evidence to the contrary.
Also, if it was wrong that Sirius dies totally there, then JKR would have vetoed the use of Avada Kadavra in the movie.
Also, if it was wrong that Sirius dies totally there, then JKR would have vetoed the use of Avada Kadavra in the movie.
Unknown2007-07-12 15:50:21
Dumbledore is as dead as a doorknob, Snape is evil (get over it people) and Harry is going to die (please!).
Unknown2007-07-12 15:51:44
I actually liked the fanfic I originally mistaked for a genuine copy of the book. It played out several theories (such as Harry being the final horcrux) well enough, and if it wasn't for the wild Harry on Ginny action, it would've been a very enjoyable read.
Dumbledore really is dead, but there may be a lame event where he visits Harry in his dreams, or for spiritual guidance or whatnot.
Snape really is working for Voldemort (since everyone's hoping Snape is a good guy, and Rowling may just twist the plot around for the fun of it).
Harry will live happily ever after (because Rowling would be swarmed by angry fangirls if he died).
Dumbledore really is dead, but there may be a lame event where he visits Harry in his dreams, or for spiritual guidance or whatnot.
Snape really is working for Voldemort (since everyone's hoping Snape is a good guy, and Rowling may just twist the plot around for the fun of it).
Harry will live happily ever after (because Rowling would be swarmed by angry fangirls if he died).
Unknown2007-07-12 15:59:39
QUOTE(Salvation @ Jul 12 2007, 03:51 PM) 425058
I actually liked the wild Harry on Ginny action.
Link?
Talnar2007-07-12 16:31:10
I agree. Harry won't die, that's the end of it. JKR would be hunted down and murdered (and I'd probably help) unless Harry dies in some really heroic way, or everyone dies along with him.
Dumbledore's dead. There is no counter curse for the Avada Kedavra curse, as told by Moody in the 4th book. The only reason Harry survived it was because Voldemort's wand backfired due to the whole 'Love' thing.
Snape's working for Voldemort. Get over it.
Dumbledore's dead. There is no counter curse for the Avada Kedavra curse, as told by Moody in the 4th book. The only reason Harry survived it was because Voldemort's wand backfired due to the whole 'Love' thing.
Snape's working for Voldemort. Get over it.
Saran2007-07-12 16:47:10
I'd like to clearly state this...
From an interview with JK
May or may not be confirmation that he is dead, But really my op is that she's tried leaving people the chance to hope and got annoyed with the constant pestering about the subject
From an interview with JK
QUOTE
Well, Salman, your opinion, I would say is, right. But I see that I need to be a little more explicit and say that Dumbledore is definitely dead. And I do know - I do know that there is an entire website out there that says - that's name is DumbledoreIsNotDead.com so umm, I'd imagine they're not pretty happy right now. But I think I need - you need - all of you need to move through the five stages of grief and I'm just helping you get past denial
May or may not be confirmation that he is dead, But really my op is that she's tried leaving people the chance to hope and got annoyed with the constant pestering about the subject
Viravain2007-07-12 16:49:40
QUOTE(Talnar @ Jul 12 2007, 12:31 PM) 425068
There is no counter curse for the Avada Kedavra curse, as told by Moody in the 4th book.
Actually, that was Barty Crouch Jr. using polyjuice potion to disguise himself as Moody. You know...Barty Crouch Jr, the loyal follower of Voldemort...
Talnar2007-07-12 16:57:06
Ohh whatever.... you know what I meant. There's no defense against it!
Saran2007-07-12 16:58:01
QUOTE(Okin @ Jul 13 2007, 01:26 AM) 425043
@Elyrian:
From JK Rowling Official Site:
Then, later, to clarify:
So there's more to her than meets the eye, but she's not a Squib or a witch.
I'm not sure why you would think Sirius wasn't dead, but the new movie seems to clinch it. Instead of the non-specific spell Bellatrix uses in the book, which merely pushes him through the archway, she uses Avada Kedavra. I'm pretty sure he's dead.
Harry is safe at the Dursleys because his mother gave her life for him, and Aunt Petunia has the same blood flowing through her veins, so while he's living with her that protection is still in effect.
Then, later, to clarify:
So there's more to her than meets the eye, but she's not a Squib or a witch.
I'm not sure why you would think Sirius wasn't dead, but the new movie seems to clinch it. Instead of the non-specific spell Bellatrix uses in the book, which merely pushes him through the archway, she uses Avada Kedavra. I'm pretty sure he's dead.
Harry is safe at the Dursleys because his mother gave her life for him, and Aunt Petunia has the same blood flowing through her veins, so while he's living with her that protection is still in effect.
Bellatrix uses stupefy in the book apparently, which stuns him etc. The avada kedavra is WRONG because he would have just dropped dead then, if that line about "Everything that is lost returns in some form or another" from looney at the end of the movie is from the book can point to some form of return by Sirius.
Also random theory Petunia + Polymorph pot *cackle* no.
The prophecy would be so cool if it meant harry had to die esp the "As long as one survives neither can live" if you consider living to not be harry stuck fighting voldy forever, then there is support the the harry=horcrux thing
Also random theory Petunia + Polymorph pot *cackle* no.
The prophecy would be so cool if it meant harry had to die esp the "As long as one survives neither can live" if you consider living to not be harry stuck fighting voldy forever, then there is support the the harry=horcrux thing
Furien2007-07-12 16:58:29
QUOTE(Viravain @ Jul 12 2007, 04:49 PM) 425074
Actually, that was Barty Crouch Jr. using polyjuice potion to disguise himself as Moody. You know...Barty Crouch Jr, the loyal follower of Voldemort...
I think she was pointing out the bolded.
Okin2007-07-12 17:11:34
I'm not going to go searching for links and quotes, because I did that before and I'm too lazy, but JK Rowling spent half a decade on the first book simply because she had to work out all the rules of the world, and she's said (somewhere, you don't have to believe me if you don't want to ) that one of her first and most basic rules is that dead is dead, and no amount of magic can ever bring someone back to life.
Hundreds of people saw Dumbledore's dead body, there's nothing in the death-scene to make us question the effectiveness of the killing curse, and Dumbledore dying makes at least some sense in terms of the plot. Hence, I very strongly believe he's dead.
) that one of her first and most basic rules is that dead is dead, and no amount of magic can ever bring someone back to life. Hundreds of people saw Dumbledore's dead body, there's nothing in the death-scene to make us question the effectiveness of the killing curse, and Dumbledore dying makes at least some sense in terms of the plot. Hence, I very strongly believe he's dead.
Hazar2007-07-12 17:20:47
I find it immensely stupefying that so many people can't see past the Harry-filter and insist that Snape is evil.
Sylphas2007-07-12 18:56:30
Sirius very well may not be dead; Harry and Luna both did hear voices from beyond the veil. Everyone points out that he can't come back from beyond, and so assume that means he's dead. I don't think we'll ever see or hear from him again, since it would really dent Harry's development after his "death", but it's really vague on the whole actually being dead part.
As for Dumbledore and Snape, Dumbledore is easily the type to have thought ahead to such a time and planned for it, up to and including sacrificing himself for the cause.
As for Dumbledore and Snape, Dumbledore is easily the type to have thought ahead to such a time and planned for it, up to and including sacrificing himself for the cause.
Hazar2007-07-12 18:58:39
I still insist Neville will be a key character. He's been around far too much, far too long, and given far too much potential to remain a mere bit.
Unknown2007-07-12 20:06:14
QUOTE(Saran @ Jul 12 2007, 12:58 PM) 425076
The prophecy would be so cool if it meant harry had to die esp the "As long as one survives neither can live" if you consider living to not be harry stuck fighting voldy forever, then there is support the the harry=horcrux thing
The line sounds wrong for some reason. I'm pretty sure that line went "Neither can live while the other survives." I think even Dumbledore or someone else who was around when it came up meant only one of them would have to die.
Personally, I hope Harry dies in the end. He's been an overly emotional brat since book five.
