Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

by Okin

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Talnar2007-07-28 01:26:57
What, what's the Grim got to do with anything?
Okin2007-07-28 03:44:06
I think she was wrong about the Grim, because you're meant to die within twenty-four hours. Combine that with the fact that we know she's a complete fraud, and I think she was making it up.
Unknown2007-07-28 19:51:20
QUOTE(Okin @ Jul 28 2007, 03:44 AM) 429462
I think she was wrong about the Grim, because you're meant to die within twenty-four hours. Combine that with the fact that we know she's a complete fraud, and I think she was making it up.

How could she be a fraud when she was the one who made the prophecy in the first place?
Verithrax2007-07-28 20:09:10
She's not a complete fraud, but she's wrong most of the time (Even though she doesn't think so).

She also drinks quite a bit.

Oh, and wasn't the Grim just padfoot?
Okin2007-07-29 02:47:07
She made two real prophecies in her whole life - the first one, just before Harry and Neville was born, and the one about Voldemort's servant returning at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban. She -claimed- to see the Grim, in tea leaves and her crystal ball, etc, and this combined with the fact that Harry was actually seeing a shaggy black dog around the place is what made him take her seriously at all. It was just a coincidence.
Unknown2007-07-29 02:49:21
QUOTE(Okin @ Jul 29 2007, 02:47 AM) 429730
She made two real prophecies in her whole life - the first one, just before Harry and Neville was born, and the one about Voldemort's servant returning at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban. She -claimed- to see the Grim, in tea leaves and her crystal ball, etc, and this combined with the fact that Harry was actually seeing a shagg black dog around the place is what made him take her seriously at all. It was just a coincidence.

No. She even went into the trance and forgot what she said about it.
Okin2007-07-29 02:57:25
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. She made two real prophecies - in which the Grim was not mentioned - one to Dumbledore about the birth of a boy who could defeat the Dark Lord, and one to Harry about the return of Voldemort's servant that night. In addition to these two actual prophecies, she made a whole slew of fake ones throughout sixteen years of teaching. Included in this made-up group of prophecies is everything she ever said to Harry about the Grim. Harry would have dismissed her mentions of the Grim as he does everything else but for the fact of the black dog he was, himself, seeing everywhere.
Unknown2007-07-29 02:58:25
QUOTE(Okin @ Jul 29 2007, 02:57 AM) 429733
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. She made two real prophecies - in which the Grim was not mentioned - one to Dumbledore about the birth of a boy who could defeat the Dark Lord, and one to Harry about the return of Voldemort's servant that night. In addition to these two actual prophecies, she made a whole slew of fake ones throughout sixteen years of teaching. Included in this made-up group of prophecies is everything she ever said to Harry about the Grim. Harry would have dismissed her mentions of the Grim as he does everything else but for the fact of the black dog he was, himself, seeing everywhere.

Oh, right. :facesmack: She probably did see the Grim, but just failed to intepret the sign properly.
Sylphas2007-07-29 11:11:08
No, I'm pretty sure she just made it up for effect, because she made the same "prophecy" about Umbridge when pressed.
Unknown2007-07-29 15:37:46
I was so sad that Voldemort died. I liked Voldemort the best.
Acrune2007-07-29 15:42:21
QUOTE(Vena @ Jul 29 2007, 11:37 AM) 429827
I was so sad that Voldemort died. I liked Voldemort the best.


He wins the dumbest death ever award. What kind of wimp dies to expelliarmis?
Viravain2007-07-29 15:46:10
QUOTE(Acrune @ Jul 29 2007, 11:42 AM) 429829
He wins the dumbest death ever award. What kind of wimp dies to expelliarmis?

Nah, that's not what killed him. His own wand backfired and killed him because it was loyal to Harry...which is kinda dumb because he killed Harry not 5 minutes before that with the same stupid wand.
Unknown2007-07-29 15:48:59
QUOTE(Viravain @ Jul 29 2007, 11:46 AM) 429830
Nah, that's not what killed him. His own wand backfired and killed him because it was loyal to Harry...which is kinda dumb because he killed Harry not 5 minutes before that with the same stupid wand.


Yeah, but Harry let him do it. She put a lot of emphasis on that in the book, so I think the Wand could sense that.
Unknown2007-07-29 18:01:52
Having finished the book last night, I thought
that it was good, but it had some major issues that kept me from loving it.

First, the book was just oozing deus ex machina. Now, for a children's book, that'd be fine and dandy, but Deathly Hallows was not a children's book. It was trying incredibly hard to be adult. It was forcing you to take it seriously. And then it would slap you across the face with a completely unbelievable turn of events.

Voldemort went out like a chump, which just isn't fitting. This man managed to essentially take over the country, so, if he's a chump, then what does that say about everyone else? It was just really disappointing. I didn't even care about the epilogue after the battle ended how it did.

Also, for a so-called "unbeatable" wand.. I'd say it failed. Every one who ever owned the damned thing was defeated. How is that unbeatable? I'd have been trying to give the damn thing to Harry, just to ensure his death. tongue.gif
Xenthos2007-07-29 18:22:54
QUOTE(S.A.W. @ Jul 29 2007, 02:01 PM) 429850
Also, for a so-called "unbeatable" wand.. I'd say it failed. Every one who ever owned the damned thing was defeated. How is that unbeatable? I'd have been trying to give the damn thing to Harry, just to ensure his death. tongue.gif

Well, the point was that it was undefeatable in a pitched battle, but could be taken by treachery / foul play (this is actually a common fantasy theme with castles. "The castle that has never fallen... to siege. The castle that has never fallen... except by treachery from within.")

The only part that made me go "Huh?" on the wand-aspect was... how did Dumbledore beat G-whatever in the duel? You'd expect that the G-guy would have been using his wand. That seems somewhat fishy to me, unless he set it aside to go after Dumbledore without the advantage-- but they mentioned that he feared Dumbledore, so I wouldn't think he'd give up his only edge.
Shamarah2007-07-29 19:01:05
QUOTE(S.A.W. @ Jul 29 2007, 02:01 PM) 429850
First, the book was just oozing deus ex machina. Now, for a children's book, that'd be fine and dandy, but Deathly Hallows was not a children's book. It was trying incredibly hard to be adult. It was forcing you to take it seriously. And then it would slap you across the face with a completely unbelievable turn of events.


All of Harry potter oozes dues ex machina. I mean, Room of Requirement? Invisibility Cloak being a Hallow? Twin core wands? The list goes on. You just have to ignore it.
Unknown2007-07-29 19:04:56
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jul 29 2007, 11:22 AM) 429852
Well, the point was that it was undefeatable in a pitched battle, but could be taken by treachery / foul play (this is actually a common fantasy theme with castles. "The castle that has never fallen... to siege. The castle that has never fallen... except by treachery from within.")

The only part that made me go "Huh?" on the wand-aspect was... how did Dumbledore beat G-whatever in the duel? You'd expect that the G-guy would have been using his wand. That seems somewhat fishy to me, unless he set it aside to go after Dumbledore without the advantage-- but they mentioned that he feared Dumbledore, so I wouldn't think he'd give up his only edge.


That was part of what made me think that it wasn't always taken by treachery. Dumbledore beat Grindelwald in a duel, so it would seem like it was possible. However, there's other shakey points brought up by all that. How did Gregorovitch get the wand? Did he steal it? Grindelwald definitely stole it, and didn't defeat Gregorovitch in a real way. So, if theft counts as defeat, then why didn't Voldemort taking the wand from the tomb count as theft from Harry, and thus defeating Harry, and thus giving Voldemort mastery over the wand?

The wand thing as a whole was kinda "bwah?" because the rules were never clear.

Also, regarding wands.. did anyone else thing it was odd that, apparently, wielding three wands together allows one to cast a triple spell? Why in the hell would a Wizard ever use only one wand? I'd be duct taping a dozen of them together, man. Who needs the Elder Wand when you can pull out a gatling gun o' wands? tongue.gif
Unknown2007-07-29 19:05:38
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jul 29 2007, 12:01 PM) 429854
All of Harry potter oozes dues ex machina. I mean, Room of Requirement? Invisibility Cloak being a Hallow? Twin core wands? The list goes on. You just have to ignore it.


Its easier to ignore in the earlier books because they aren't trying to be as adult as DH.
Unknown2007-07-29 19:09:54
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jul 29 2007, 03:01 PM) 429854
All of Harry potter oozes dues ex machina. I mean, Room of Requirement? Invisibility Cloak being a Hallow? Twin core wands? The list goes on. You just have to ignore it.


Yeah, It's nothing new.

Mirror of Erised in the first book, sorting hat in the second, time turner in the third, Priori Incantatem in the fourth, Dumbledore in the fifth, Snape (sort of) in the sixth, then the Hallows in the seventh.


And I think every book, from the end of the fourth one on, has been very serious.
Unknown2007-07-29 23:57:36
Ah, I just saw an Exclusive with J.K.Rowling and it seems that Harry and Ron went on to revolutionise the Aurora Departement and Hermione also became like a magic lawyer or whatever.