If someone were to, y'know, tell me this IC, then I'd probably give it back.

Why you'd deposit it to the shop and not just give it to Accalia is beyond me though...

It got put in the shop so the Chancellor could get to it and we didn't know it was bugged still at that time because Naggle and key things were supposed to be fixed.

Edit: Accalia is not the Chancellor so she wouldn't be given the gold.

People donating to help get the commune shop (broad term- everyone in the commune helps stock it. It isn't like a regular, player-owned shop) was cool.

Putting the donations in the stockroom wasn't cool.

Going back in and stealing said donations wasn't cool, either. Neither was going back even though you knew the key shouldn't have been working at the time. (Pretty sure someone said the lock was changed on Bellators. Maybe myself.)

Wasn't me! I've just been hearing about this on IRC and IM as it's been happening, that's all.

If it was thought the key problem was worked out by then, then putting the donations there makes sense, but I still think I'd've waited a bit to be entirely sure. There's got to be other places to put stuff. But in a panic that's an understandable thing to do.

I don't think anyone did... if you did, I must have missed it, Bellator is pretty spammy.

Gwylifar: I know it wasn't you, I was using "you" in a general sense.

Also, it was deposited to the shop because it's a commune shop, that's also why it wasn't given to Acca.

If that alt is a shofangi then GTFO. Please. Thank you muchies.




Bugs are not ic. If you want to give it back for an ooc matter then it is enough if you know about it oocly.

And lastly WTF DO YOU KEEP KEYS IN YOUR INVENTORY?! You need an alias to open / down / lock anyway so you might as well add getting the key from your whatever-secret-place to that single alias.

A pack at least you'd have to remove before you can give it. That's two pooka'd commands instead of one giving you more time to react.

"Covenspiracy" looks like "Covens piracy" to me. Laysus, I'm now imagining you wearing a scimitar and swaggering with a bottle of rum.

Sorry, what were we talking about?


It's a lot more important than that. If you have a trigger on getting a key from a pack when you aren't meaning to, you can put it away immediately, and he never has a chance to get it. If you only trigger on dropping it to pick it up, his get trigger could go off before yours, so even with the trigger you're at risk. (Plus he can force give as well as drop, can't he?)

odd, my keys when I changed hte locks, the keys said it doesn't work anywhere. it didn't say anything about "an impossible place" or anything.

Why would you give it back just because someone asked nicely? If you're thieving, it's to hurt a person or organization, not just for bragging rights, even if that's how you see it. In my opinion, you don't say "I was going to give it back, but now that I've been punished you can forget it." It should work the other way around. You get punished, feel sorry, and then give it back in an attempt at a reduced punishment (unless you're a sadistic one who wears his punishment like a badge of dishonor).

(Ninja'd by Aesyra, but...) If you have keys to anything important, PUT YOUR KEYS IN A PACK! It's so incredibly easy to make aliases to get the key out, use it, and put it away each time you enter or exit some place like a stock room. It's also pretty easy to make triggers to store keys when someone makes you take them out. It should be virtually impossible to rob someone of a key, with or without selfishness, if they've spent five minutes making such aliases or triggers.

Don't you know that in lusternia being punished by your enemy is a badge of pride?

Not quite impossible, where blackout is concerned, but extremely difficult anyway.

If your keys are especially important, put them (or your gold, or whatever else) inside something, then put that something in your pack. Thieves would have to guess what they're hidden in, and then go through at least three force commands to get the item from you. If your triggers can't catch it by then, you've been outsmarted and they deserve whatever they get.

Because robbing from an organization is different, as they usually have plenty of money and supplies and it's not the blow that losing 200k might be for a random person. If you can guilt them into it, they might give it back. Involving a god, something they have no chance of fighting back or arguing with, just makes them stubborn.

doublewhammy vapors/something else, on balance order selfishness off, then keep them there for 12 seconds until they can give you the key.

How lame.

Thefts were commited a lot of times, and I do not remember any instance on when the thief was punished by a Divine (read: ADMIN PUNISHMENT). Lisaera should look at things in a more objective light, instead of "omgz, my commune is being hurted - punish, punish!" What's next, zapping raiders who come kill Aspects?

Also, if you are rich enough to have a shop, you also have enough credits (or will have soon, thanks to the shop's sales) to invest in Selfishness. If you do not have the skill, or even a simple alias that keeps the key in your pack or whatever - NO SYMPATHY if you get robbed. It's your own fault.

Poor Sham.

I remember Voron trying to steal from our ordershop. Ekard killed him. Then Hajamin made us sit with cloaking gem off in the shop to taunt him to come back for more. He was smart enough not to but trust me if he had he'd would have been beyond dead by that huge golden lance.

Divine are divine. Instead of constantly taking everything that happens ic to the forums see it as an ic action. Apparently Lisaera has a great dislikes for thieves and stomps down on them while she lets the mortals fight their petty fights on their own. Likewise she apparently likes it even less if something known as a 'misweave' gets used to cause more damage.

And lastly that was not admin punishment. A TDF by the Oneroi or another admin character, being dropped in time, having your rp points reduced (and whatever else I cannot think of right now) THAT are ADMIN punishments. What Lisaera did was an IG divine punishment. It was her character that punished Shamarah not the Admin playing it.

Speaking of ordered commands... Ordered commands are just like entering a command, right? Do ordered ones go through stupidity, stun, being prone, etc? I'd test it now, but I don't have the time to hunt someone down (Celest's CWHO has been rather short lately).

As for it being a commune shop... The first stealing was tolerable since it did not involve any shady activities (bug abuse, etc). The second one is iffy.. it's clearly a bug (and I'm very thankful no one got into my shop when my key was stolen.. yay for flame sigils). The items from the second stealing should be returned, but whatever was taken from the first one is Shamarah's now. While I do agree that stealing is lame... the responses I've received in the past clearly agree that such things are fair game. "There are defenses against stealing." The key could've been zapped from Shamarah (I've seen similar happen before when my key was flamed on the ground).. turning him into a maggot was uncalled for (unless opposing Divine can maggot enemies at the slightest offense). So.. in short, it's completely fair (the first stealing, that is).

This thread has exploded.

I doubt Lisaera can comment on whether this was/was not a bug. We should give Her the benefit of the doubt as far as her motives - gods have a reason for doing what they do, 99% of the time. It may seem interventionist on the surface, but I doubt what she did was only motivated by factors mentioned in this thread so far.

If you're ordered to do something, it's as if you type it in your own keyboard and press enter. Same restrictions apply. I run into trouble sometimes as a telepath when I dominate because it can be interrupted by stupidity.