Thievery and divine retaliation

by Shamarah

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Kharaen2007-07-19 23:21:10
Who's taken over Krellan's body? There's punctuation in that post!
Krellan2007-07-19 23:26:11
what's that supposed to mean! suspicious.gif
Xenthos2007-07-19 23:26:19
QUOTE(daganev @ Jul 19 2007, 07:00 PM) 427103
Really now?

Are we to believe that people who don't have enough credits can't Bash -at all?-

High disfavours also increase damage taken significantly.
Forren2007-07-19 23:27:39
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jul 19 2007, 07:26 PM) 427116
High disfavours also increase damage taken significantly.


And no conglutinate.
Daganev2007-07-19 23:30:19
I understand it is bad, and annoying, I also understand the desire to work on an alt, instead of dealing with it, but I do not understand the statement that you can not bash -at all-.
Vesar2007-07-19 23:31:34
Yea, how about we not re-start the stealing trend?


Oh wait... it's started again.

4 thievery attempts and 2 shops cleaned out in one day.. and the day isn't over..
Shamarah2007-07-19 23:33:55
QUOTE(daganev @ Jul 19 2007, 07:00 PM) 427103
Really now?

Are we to believe that people who don't have enough credits can't Bash -at all?-


You try bashing astral or the Undervault as a mugwump shadowdancer with no nightkiss.

I assure you, you will die quite quickly indeed.
Geb2007-07-19 23:35:38
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jul 19 2007, 11:57 PM) 427101
Favors don't impair the other side's ability to play the game, though. Disfavors are much, much more harmful than favors are helpful.


Favours do help the person's ability to bash or fight, and TFs help that ability greatly (15% damage reduction against all types, increase in some skills that may go beyond Transcendent in effect, along with added con and some other ability increase). Those Boosts can significantly reduce the effectiveness of someone's abilities against the person with the TF. If a person can benefit from some divine benevolence sent their way in the form of divine favours, then that person can also suffer from some divine malice sent their way in the form of divine disfavours.

It is my belief that though a divine disfavour is very harmful to the person receiving it, a divine favour is just as harmful to any person having to face the person who benefits from it. It may be true that divine disfavours are personally more harmful to the person than favours are beneficial to him or her, the former also seems to be given out far less than latter.
Shamarah2007-07-19 23:38:46
QUOTE(geb @ Jul 19 2007, 07:35 PM) 427122
Favours do help the person's ability to bash or fight, and TFs help that ability greatly (15% damage reduction against all types, increase in some skills that may go beyond Transcendent in effect, along with added con and some other ability increase). Those Boosts can significantly reduce the effectiveness of someone’s abilities against the person with the TF. If a person can benefit from some divine benevolence sent their way in the form of divine favours, then that person can also suffer from some divine malice sent their way in the form of divine disfavours.


I'd much rather have my attacks do 15% less damage to my target than fight my target without nightkiss, redcap, banshee, slaugh, pooka, toadcurse, anorexia, sleep, doublewhammy, and hexaura.

Being highdisfavored knocks my guildskills down from tri-trans to tri-virtuoso.
Geb2007-07-19 23:47:09
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jul 20 2007, 12:38 AM) 427123
I'd much rather have my attacks do 15% less damage to my target than fight my target without nightkiss, redcap, banshee, slaugh, pooka, toadcurse, anorexia, sleep, doublewhammy, and hexaura.

Being highdisfavored knocks my guildskills down from tri-trans to tri-virtuoso.


You are forgetting the other benefits of skills being more effective because of the higher skill levels and the possible added abilities a person may gain if the person is not transcendent in some skills. Also consider the fact that some skills are based directly on the amount of training a person has in a skill-set, and being above transcendent continues that benefit (Some gain added damage, duration, resistibility to removal, etc). There are more benefits received than just the 15% damage reduction shield, and as such there are more obstacles the opponent has to deal with besides reduced damage given by his attacks against the favoured person.

Also remember that the damage absorption shield stacks with other damage resistant abilities directly. With its aid, it can help push someone to a damage absorption level that makes dealing with the damage of certain attacks trivial.
Shamarah2007-07-19 23:50:58
QUOTE(geb @ Jul 19 2007, 07:47 PM) 427125
You are forgetting the other benefits of skills being more effective because of the higher skill levels and the possible added abilities a person may gain if the person is not transcendent in some skills. Also consider the fact that some skills are based directly on the amount of training a person has in a skill-set, and being above transcendent continues that benefit (Some gain added damage, duration, resistibility to removal, etc). There are more benefits received than just the 15% damage reduction shield, and as such there are more obstacles the opponent has to deal with besides reduced damage given by his attacks against the favoured person.

Also remember that the damage absorption shield stacks with other damage resistant abilities directly. With its aid, it can help push someone to a damage absorption level that makes dealing with the damage of certain attacks trivial.


This is all true, but I don't really understand how you can argue that fighting someone with a damage shield and a few bonuses to abilities that may give them a bit of extra damage/protection is analogous to fighting without skills that are utterly crucial to my offense like succumb, nightkiss, anorexia, and sleep, as well as most of my better fae. I literally cannot kill anyone without nightkiss or toadcurse except via nature curse, which is a joke - whereas you can still quite effectively kill a truefavoured enemy and can still use all your skills on them, it's just marginally more difficult (and it's really only more difficult if you're using damage to kill them, they're just as susceptible to mana kills, mindburst, timed instakills, etc).
Clise2007-07-20 00:04:24
Well could see it from the point of guardians, wiccans where taking a Celestine, a true disfavour will render said Celestine unable to absolve, soulless. All that's left to the Celestine is cosmicfire(with reduced damage) and judgement(web lol). Whereas a truefavour on an opponent doesn't really stop the said Celestine from killing the opponent.
Inox2007-07-20 00:27:26
QUOTE(Kharaen d @ Jul 19 2007, 04:21 PM) 427114
Who's taken over Krellan's body? There's punctuation in that post!


I was gonna say capitalization as well, but then I read his reply. (Sorry Krellan, you know I love you! happy.gif )
Geb2007-07-20 00:37:33
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jul 20 2007, 12:50 AM) 427126
This is all true, but I don't really understand how you can argue that fighting someone with a damage shield and a few bonuses to abilities that may give them a bit of extra damage/protection is analogous to fighting without skills that are utterly crucial to my offense like succumb, nightkiss, anorexia, and sleep, as well as most of my better fae. I literally cannot kill anyone without nightkiss or toadcurse except via nature curse, which is a joke - whereas you can still quite effectively kill a truefavoured enemy and can still use all your skills on them, it's just marginally more difficult (and it's really only more difficult if you're using damage to kill them, they're just as susceptible to mana kills, mindburst, timed instakills, etc).


Some archetypes + specialties are harmed more by divine disfavours than others, just like some benefit more from divine favours than others. Also consider the fact that I have seen very few disfavours that lasted longer than 3 real life days, while I have seen favours that have lasted for 30 days or more (I personally had one for 36 days before). True some people rarely if ever see a divine favour, but then again some people rarely if ever see a divine disfavour. All in all, I see them pretty much balancing out each other in the long run. I know that I would not support one being possible without the other. What I would support is both being removed and other forms of punishment and rewards were given that have less effect on combat abilities and combat survivability.
Kharaen2007-07-20 00:38:54
QUOTE(Krellan @ Jul 19 2007, 07:26 PM) 427115
what's that supposed to mean! suspicious.gif


We tease you because we wub.gif you!
silimaur2007-07-20 01:05:49
what happened to shadowdancer anti theft laws or were they removed... ohmy.gif
Shishi2007-07-20 01:10:51
QUOTE(silimaur @ Jul 19 2007, 06:05 PM) 427138
what happened to shadowdancer anti theft laws or were they removed... ohmy.gif


I'm guessing they weren't because

QUOTE(Shayle @ Jul 19 2007, 01:59 PM) 427069
I guess it doesn't matter at this point. Shayle will have to yell at Shamarah IC too! Hee!


silimaur2007-07-20 01:15:23
yeah just saw he got in troubles
Lysandus2007-07-20 01:38:43
QUOTE(Shou @ Jul 20 2007, 06:21 AM) 427086
Er yeah, and now a guild shop has been robbed. There a trend going on or something?


Oh gee, wonder how Thoros knew about the it, did he know about the bug ICly or from reading it from here? Oh wait, perhaps he heard it from Bellator and use its OOC knowledge for IC purposes.

Really guys, just stop being thieves, losing an experience is okay but losing equipment you use for hunting to gain back those experience isn't okay.

Fun or not, THIEVERY is not good.

/rant
Creslin2007-07-20 01:53:28
QUOTE(Lysandus @ Jul 19 2007, 08:38 PM) 427143
Oh gee, wonder how Thoros knew about the it, did he know about the bug ICly or from reading it from here? Oh wait, perhaps he heard it from Bellator and use its OOC knowledge for IC purposes.

Really guys, just stop being thieves, losing an experience is okay but losing equipment you use for hunting to gain back those experience isn't okay.

Fun or not, THIEVERY is not good.

/rant


I don't think he took advantage of anything. He was in the stockroom before I heard anything about a key being stolen. By the time I got there, the stuff was stolen, the door was open and Thoros was long gone.