Aha. Doesn't change the fact she was still stolen from again, "m'dear".

(I'm actually assuming here that she was the one the key was taken from in the beginning)

If this is aimed at me, Estarra, please note that I said neither of those things. I said that taking away a character's free will is stepping out of the line in my opinion (Not that this happened in this instance) and I said that disfavours do nothing, just get the character disfavour to disappear from the game (Or at least stop bashing and leaving their cities) for their duration (Of course, a 15-day disfavour may cause someone to stop playing entirely, but I've never seen it happen) of the disfavour.

Frankly, I think it really is Lisaera's prerogative to act like that, but she was wrong in doing so. It doesn't enhance the game for anyone; Serenwilde won't get their gold back, Glomdoring won't have Shamarah around for a few days, and Shamarah will be stuck in his alt... who wins? What's the point?

Like taking away character free will (Although to a lesser degree) divine punishment takes away interactivity from the game. There is very little you can do besides complain and roleplay it out; for people willing to play a tragic (anti-)hero/villain going against insurmountable odds for what he believes, this can be fun. Most people hate it, because most people don't enjoy being unable to react. There is absolutely nothing you can do in retaliation (No, defiling shrines does not really count). It should be used far more sparingly than the gods use it.

Hmm, isn’t there a RP solution? If I got punished by one deity, I would run back to my personal god that I had been faithful towards and beg for clemency. Perhaps your personal god, in this case Viravain I’m assuming, would have the power to reverse or mitigate your curse on her home turf (only in the Glomdoring for example), assuming you carry out some business for her. Or if you present your case to Elostian, perhaps you could get him to adjudicate on your behalf if you present him which a logical enough argument?

Of course this would require OOC agreement between the Divine

Thank you, my point exactly.

You obviously know little about Serenwilde.

At what point will people stop saying "Oh, there's not much theft so the little we have is an enhancement"? How often does a theft have to occur before it's considered a standard trait of Lusternia? I personally think we're well on our way there. When we do get to the point where theft is as prevalent in Lusternia as it is in Achaea will people be surprised? I hope not. As players we had the opportunity to stop it from happening and we didn't do it.

As Geb has pointed out, players don't seem to much mind the favors they get for no particular reason. They also don't seem to mind when their own divine get directly involved in a situation. I don't think anyone can provide evidence of gods wandering about handing out disfavours quite as willy nilly as favours are handed out. In fact, it seems pretty easy to avoid disfavours altogether.

If you're going to do something, accept the consequences of those actions both expected and unexpected. There isn't exactly a lot of recourse available against thieves. The avenger doesn't even recognize it. If you happen to be a weaker person there is very little chance you will be able to go against whoever targetted you (which is likely the reasoning behind the targetting in the first place). Even if your whole city/commune goes up in arms over it, you're still not going to get your stuff back and whoever did it is still going to be happily counting their booty in the safety of their homes. And let's say the person is particularly brave while all this anger exists over their action and is able to be killed. Unless you resort to griefing them to the point they can't play, killing them isn't really a very effective way of retaliating. Altogether an extremely frustrating experience for the victim that goes so far beyond a simple death that the two really shouldn't be compared. A disfavour seems reasonable in this situation if it's justified - and robbing a commune shop does justify it.

And I'm curious as to what great RP is going on that people seem to think warrants a god coming up with a more creative punishment than the standard ones? Sure if they want to great, but coming up with one because of a petty theft? Or when someone shouts an insult or whatever? I don't see that it would really be worth it. The punishment should match the crime and if the crime is banal (and thievery is about as banal as you can get in IRE) then the punishment should be as well.

I for one can testify that Yrael gave back everything he stole from my character and he did so without having to be asked to do so.

Notions like 'long term' and 'short term' can be subjective. 3 RL days is apparently long term to Shamarah.

3 RL days of not being able to do anything is a long time.

Not compared to the time it takes to earn back that kind of money.

Theft == Plague

Look what you have done to us! I kid.

Viravain actually did truefavour me, but disfavours are stronger than favours, so now my skills are just tri-fabled instead of tri-virtuoso, which still isn't much good to me.

In my opinion, I think Lisarea (sp?), as a Goddess of Serenwilde, she is allowed to take care of her commune. However, I do believe that something else could have been done about Shamarah stealing the money. The commune could have taken it into their own hands, without going to her, and asked/taken back what was stolen. There's always going to be multiple scenarios to every thing. This can go that way or this way or another way completely. I think going to Lisarea should have been a last resort, but hey..what's done is done. Neither one is truly "wrong" just..frowned upon more like.

Wait, wait, wait....

Holy hell, so from what I understand, when Stagar stole 500,000 gold from Exarius... all I had to do was talk to Morgfyre instead of Daevos (who didn't really get involved) to get him punished?! I wasted time trying to both: RP the situation and rectify what should have not happened in terms of player decency? And I think all I got a from it was a divorce but let's not get into details about that one.

Nah, it wouldn't have worked. Exarius is a rogue and, as nearly as I can tell, doesn't run a shop for any city or commune.

Hence, no Divine intervention in his favor.

Maybe if I whined it made the Geos look bad

But oh well. Drats.

Oh, dear lord, it's this discussion again.

*peer*

It does have a lifecycle, doesn't it?

I've missed it.

In an ever-changing world, complaints about the divine are reliable. It encourages me when I'm feeling Krellan-like or like a drunk king . Of course, I've never been a drunk king, but I can only imagine how unpleasant it must be. I can only thank threads like these for saving me from such a horrid fate.





What were we talking about, again?