The Night Altar

by Kaervas

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Ashteru2007-08-06 16:10:24
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 6 2007, 04:08 PM) 431850
Which kind of emphasizes my point, I think.

Yeah, so changing the base-skill isn't necessary, and drink -is- a skill that has limited uses outside of PvP. You are trying to turn it from a mostly PvP skill into some sort of Bashing-PvP mesh. :S
Forren2007-08-06 16:10:25
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 12:08 PM) 431848
(And Astral is a lot of moving as well)


Astral mobs are defined by damagetypes and how often they track. Certain spheres are known for their tracking - mitrans track FAST. If you want to stay in one room, hunt on those spheres.
Ashteru2007-08-06 16:11:33
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 04:10 PM) 431852
Astral mobs are defined by damagetypes and how often they track. Certain spheres are known for their tracking - mitrans track FAST. If you want to stay in one room, hunt on those spheres.

I know. Mitrans track extremly fast, as well as scorpions. Urns do it slow. Blahblahblah, I know that stuff. tongue.gif But if you want to benefit from bashing Astral, and not stand around for so and so long to get the mobs, you got to move.
Xenthos2007-08-06 16:12:50
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 12:10 PM) 431851
Yeah, so changing the base-skill isn't necessary, and drink -is- a skill that has limited uses outside of PvP. You are trying to turn it from a mostly PvP skill into some sort of Bashing-PvP mesh. :S

Well, it HAS been made the essential benefit of a Construct... which means it should have a little more than "limited use" outside of PvP, imo.
Forren2007-08-06 16:13:09
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 12:11 PM) 431853
I know. Mitrans track extremly fast, as well as scorpions. Urns do it slow. Blahblahblah, I know that stuff. tongue.gif But if you want to benefit from bashing Astral, and not stand around for so and so long to get the mobs, you got to move.


Against mitrans, obesefessors, and scorpions, I hardly ever move, especially with a partner or two. Acrune, Aesyra, and I were taking down were taking down scorpion after scorpion without moving or unlinking often.

When I've bashed with Ragniliff and Lisarel, they like putting up Choke for Drink. It can be very useful for bashing.
Xenthos2007-08-06 16:13:38
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 12:13 PM) 431855
Against mitrans, obesefessors, and scorpions, I hardly ever move, especially with a partner or two. Acrune, Aesyra, and I were taking down were taking down scorpion after scorpion without moving or unlinking often.

When I've bashed with Ragniliff and Lisarel, they like putting up Choke for Drink. It can be very useful for bashing.

I hope you mean Shadows, not Choke...
Ashteru2007-08-06 16:14:56
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 04:13 PM) 431855
Against mitrans, obesefessors, and scorpions, I hardly ever move, especially with a partner or two. Acrune, Aesyra, and I were taking down were taking down scorpion after scorpion without moving or unlinking often.

When I've bashed with Ragniliff and Lisarel, they like putting up Choke for Drink. It can be very useful for bashing.

...You definitely don't want to masslink urns and wait for them. :|
Ashteru2007-08-06 16:15:19
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 6 2007, 04:12 PM) 431854
Well, it HAS been made the essential benefit of a Construct... which means it should have a little more than "limited use" outside of PvP, imo.

Then the wrong skill got chosen for the construct! tongue.gif

(The only instances I actually use drink is when I got six+ urns in my room, am about to guardbash, or am bashing mitrans or scorpions, the rest isn't worth the shadows)
Xenthos2007-08-06 16:16:00
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 12:15 PM) 431858
Then the wrong skill got chosen for the construct! tongue.gif

That could be, too. I've just been going with what we were given, though.
Arel2007-08-06 16:16:13
All of Glomdoring doesn't hunt on Astral. I'm sure our lowbies and midbies would like to make use of the skill, and I'm pretty sure all those bashing grounds don't have things that track. This construct is for the whole commune, not just Night users and titans, let's remember.
Xenthos2007-08-06 16:16:52
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 12:15 PM) 431858
(The only instances I actually use drink is when I got six+ urns in my room, am about to guardbash, or am bashing mitrans or scorpions, the rest isn't worth the shadows)

As a question-- if the rest isn't worth the shadows, would it be worth 5p (5x the cost for you)?
Unknown2007-08-06 16:18:13
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 6 2007, 12:12 PM) 431854
Well, it HAS been made the essential benefit of a Construct... which means it should have a little more than "limited use" outside of PvP, imo.


I'm wondering if perhaps the base effect needs a change? Instead of trying to balance Drink for all commune members, perhaps a completely different Night-based effect?

And no, I don't have any ideas on what said replacement could be yet.
Shayle2007-08-06 16:18:23
Then perhaps that observation is correct: the wrong skill was chosen for the construct?

Anyone have any alternatives?
Xenthos2007-08-06 16:19:45
Nightkiss for everyone!

... okay, maybe not. No, I don't really have an idea at the moment. I think that of the Night-skillset, this was the best choice for a "Commune-oriented-helpful-skill," but as it seems more geared to PvP than generic use, it turns out to be less helpful than hoped.
Forren2007-08-06 16:20:03
QUOTE(Arel @ Aug 6 2007, 12:16 PM) 431860
All of Glomdoring doesn't hunt on Astral. I'm sure our lowbies and midbies would like to make use of the skill, and I'm pretty sure all those bashing grounds don't have things that track. This construct is for the whole commune, not just Night users and titans, let's remember.


Celest has the reverse - our construct really isn't very useful to the upper level players. 90% of what it does I can do with other skills. The three things I regularly use are free benedictions (not like power is a problem for me), 5% damage reduction, and faster shielding. My staff can do far more health/mana/ego healing than the Construct.

Yours benefits more than just Night users and Titans - however, it would require a Night user to initialize. Anyone who hunts astral (level 75+) can benefit from this aspect.
Forren2007-08-06 16:20:40
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 6 2007, 12:13 PM) 431856
I hope you mean Shadows, not Choke...


Err, yes. I'm on my lunch break eating Chinese food, and my brain often gets confused while eating.
Unknown2007-08-06 16:21:56
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 11:15 AM) 431858
(The only instances I actually use drink is when I got six+ urns in my room, am about to guardbash, or am bashing mitrans or scorpions, the rest isn't worth the shadows)


Let's not forget that you are a bit of a tanky freak. I get destroyed by 2-3 urns - I'd use drink pretty regularly, except for the high power cost for shadows which don't last very long. And the fact that I'm a Seren.
Morgfyre2007-08-06 16:23:22
QUOTE(Salvation @ Aug 6 2007, 08:08 AM) 431806
Alright, fine. Make it respawn 2 shadows per midnight.

Every single Night user knows just how incredibly lame the task of gathering shadows is, and allowing shadows to simply respawn in the cauldron or some such would make it far less annoying while being quite 'balanced'.

EDIT (for Arel): Hehe, you should follow me around when I'm hunting, anyways.


The Night Altar actually allows those with the Nightwraith aura to harvest 2 shadows instead of 1 each time you gather shadows. This was mistakenly not listed among its powers, but it is an actual power.
Shayle2007-08-06 16:24:10
QUOTE(Morgfyre @ Aug 6 2007, 12:23 PM) 431868
The Night Altar actually allows those with the Nightwraith aura to harvest 2 shadows instead of 1 each time you gather shadows. This was mistakenly not listed among its powers, but it is an actual power.


Awesome!
Ashteru2007-08-06 16:31:32
Yay!

And I fear Night doesn't have many other skills that could be used with the construct, yeah. :/ Just checking up, and all of them are PvP or Coven related.

Basically, without changing the baseskill, allow people with Nightwraith to release weaker Shadows (As per Tervic's suggestion), for 1 power.