Doesn't this go along with your previous "very limited use" comment? It's still the same cost as 1 shadow was for you. Hmm.

I think the point is that is supposed to benefit the lower level players, Forren. It is supposed to benefit the org, the majority of which are not multi-trans highbies.

I think allowing people to summon weaker shadows for 1-3 power would work well. Could have them last half the time of regular shadows as well or something.

Oh, excellent. Thank you.

Though I still have to go through with the task of actually gathering shadows. *grumble*

Also, looking through the Night skillset...there really isn't a lot that could be balanced to be useful for the commune. Most of the skills require either a coven, or shadows.

So, to summarize:
1. People with Nightwraith aura regenerate normally in shadows.
2. Leave everything as is for Night-users. The reduced power cost is a fair upgrade that isn't overpowering.
3. People with Nightwraith aura can use Drink during Night for 4-6p, at which point it becomes a defense that fades at dawn. Though Xenthos could probably summarize this last one better, meh.

Yes dude, but it still makes it more useful than, say, scourge for everyone.

(And without changing the baseskill because of a construct that can be dropped when, as usual, the 40 people Seren zerg comes and no one is around. -.-)

The Living Moon Altar is next to useless for me, personally. I don't need the aura, and I don't need the teleportation stuff. Where's my super-awesome Drink-like effect? This Night Altar sounds far more useful, if you ask me.

One's more useful after death, one's more useful for avoiding death.

But the one that's more useful for avoiding death only helps if you can actually use it. Hence us throwing out ideas for the admin to ponder.

Useful after death means you have to die. It also removes restrictions that don't apply to me. I'm just saying it's the smallest possible boost for me, but I know it's a huge deal for others.

Giving non-Night users drink is like giving Celestians healspring/sweetfount except shadows don't last as long as demesned terrain potentially can.

Passive healing or sipping boosts >>> an occasional resurrection.

You're downplaying resurgem far too much.

I just want to have a useful construct.

Except that half of us can't really get any decent use from drink due to being unable to release shadows.

We have one.

It's called the DarkNest.

Now join me in convincing Xenthos to build it.

Nevermind, bugged it.

I think that one's a bit...eh...but I'm there! I'll help you!

As per request of Ashteru, here is a log of me drinking some shadows against one of Xion's elementals:

def
You have a bardic presence.
You are filled with the greed of Acquisitio.
Your blood is clotting by virtue of the Ray of the Kingdom.
Your ego is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of Beauty.
Your mana is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of Perfection.
Your health is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of the Merciful Hand.
You can walk upon water.
You are drinking deep of shadows.
The pull of the earth roots you more firmly to the ground.
Your mind is sensing the death of others.
You are viewing the world through the third eye.
You are surrounded by a nearly invisible magical shield.
You are extremely limber.
You are protected against falling suddenly.
You are concentrating on providing your muscles with increased elasticity.
You are moving at an increased rate of speed.
You are protected by 16 defences.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p ex-
ql
Along a diamond hallway.
The area is suffused with an eerie, deep blue light, signifying a shield shrine
of Elostian nearby. The shadowy outline of a twisted forest casts a dark gloom
here. There are 2 gargantuan water elementals here. Warden Ashteru d'Illici,
Flail of Twilight towers here. He wields a dwarven battle hammer in each hand.
You see exits leading north, southeast, west, and northwest.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p ex-
pms
Your action causes the nearly invisible magical shield around you to fade away.
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3975h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
Large clouds of icy vapour suddenly jet from a gargantuan water elemental and
surround you like the chilled grasp of death itself.
You twist aside, deflecting part of the attack.
3157h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3157h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p ex-
pms

Your body warms up and you stop shivering.
3653h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p ex-You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3653h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
rth
You read a magic tome.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
A soft moan rises up from the ground as a shadowy bubble forms around you.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
Shaking in rage, a gargantuan water elemental suddenly rushes at you, viciously
shattering your shield of protection.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3975h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p ex-
pms
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3975h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
A gargantuan water elemental suddenly lunges forward and smashes you in the face
with a surprisingly hard punch of water.
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs a charge.
2849h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
pms
You must regain equilibrium first.
2849h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2849h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p ex-
dh
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3649h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p ex-
pms
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3649h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
A gargantuan water elemental lunges forward and latches onto your head, denying
you your precious oxygen.
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs a charge.
2794h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
rth
You read a magic tome.
The words of the scroll have no effect on you.
2794h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
You may be healed by a scroll again.
2794h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
pms
You must regain equilibrium first.
3290h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
dh

You have recovered equilibrium.
3290h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p ex-You take a drink from a ruby vial.
The potion flows down your throat without effect.
3290h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p ex-
pms

You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3290h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p ex-You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3290h, 3630m, 3411e, 10p x-
A gargantuan water elemental lunges forward and latches onto your head, denying
you your precious oxygen.
You twist aside, deflecting part of the attack.
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs a charge.
2539h, 3630m, 3411e, 10p x-
rth
You read a magic tome.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
2857h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
A soft moan rises up from the ground as a shadowy bubble forms around you.
2857h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
dh
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3608h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
Shaking in rage, a gargantuan water elemental suddenly rushes at you, viciously
shattering your shield of protection.
3608h, 3750m, 3525e, 10p ex-
pms
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3608h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3608h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
A gargantuan water elemental suddenly lunges forward and smashes you in the face
with a surprisingly hard punch of water.
You twist aside, deflecting part of the attack.
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs a charge.
2771h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2771h, 3710m, 3487e, 10p ex-
pms
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
2771h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
rth
You read a magic tome.
The words of the scroll have no effect on you.
2771h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
dh
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3453h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
You may be healed by a scroll again.
3949h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
Eyes glowing red, a gargantuan water elemental bellows and a shield of
protection flickers into view around his form.
3949h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3949h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p ex-
pms

You bleed 17 health.
3932h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p ex-A dizzying beam of energy strikes you as your attack rebounds off of a
gargantuan water elemental's shield.
3932h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
A soft moan rises up from the ground as a shadowy bubble forms around you.
3932h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
Shaking in rage, a gargantuan water elemental suddenly rushes at you, viciously
shattering your shield of protection.
3932h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3932h, 3670m, 3449e, 10p ex-
pms
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
3932h, 3630m, 3411e, 10p x-
A gargantuan water elemental lunges forward and latches onto your head, denying
you your precious oxygen.
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs a charge.
3120h, 3630m, 3411e, 10p x-
You bleed 8 health.
3112h, 3630m, 3411e, 10p x-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3112h, 3630m, 3411e, 10p ex-
pms
You play a minor second on a golden lyre and direct the disharmonic notes
towards a gargantuan water elemental.
Blood trickles out of a gargantuan water elemental's ears and from the corners
of his eyes.
The music here inspires you to greater heights.
A gargantuan water elemental screams and dies, as his eyes fly out of their
sockets and blood splurts out of his ears.
You have slain a gargantuan water elemental.
You suddenly scoop up the corpse of a gargantuan water elemental.

I'm not downplaying resurgem at all. I'm saying that I have Stag totem, I conglutinate, and I hardly ever die, so it doesn't really do much at all for me, personally. Also, I don't need the Moon Abode to get anywhere I can't already get, so I've been there only one time.

The dark nest in and of itself isn't amazing, but it's also not as horrible as other people make it out to be.

Dark nest + wraithaura = awesome. If you build the night altar, I think it becomes worthwhile to build the dark nest with it.

...what do they have to do with eachother? O.o



And after thinking about it, it'd be best to allow people to release lesser shadows for 1 power, which only work for drink, don't block other regen and can't be used for other Nightskills.

Celest's construct requires a sacraments user for most of its benefits. Benedict, free rezzes, being affected by honor. It's only the prayers and the damage reduction that is independent. Plus, since the skills the prayers mimic are all low level ones, it's not like someone has to be all that strong to have them. These aren't trans skills we're talking about. Two of them you get as soon as you select the skillset. Not to mention the people that could benefit the most can't even get the aura because of the high mana requirement.

This is certainly not to say that this new construct should have these same shortcomings but any kind of claim that everyone else has constructs that are useful for the whole organization and don't rely on other people's skills to be used so this one should be that way to be fair is false. It definitely should have those qualities but on their own merits not to correct a perceived unfairness.