Just one key difference:

The current Serenwilde/Celest contructs require a Moon/Sacrament user for a short period of time (to bless/rezz).

The Altar of Night requires a Night user every 10 minutes, for each non-Night user.

Wraithaura took me from full mana (3750) into yellow, which is probably about half so the aura has a high mana cost too. I don't know anything about those Sacraments skills, but once you get them, so they stop working if you leave the room or if you don't have the sacraments user along with you?

EDIT: Bah, Salvation ninja'd me.

I think all of the "aura" constructs (including lich) require 1500 mana. I could be mistaken, though.

The bless/rezz is technically not even a "benefit" for anyone except the sacraments user since all it does is eliminate the power cost. It's not like people weren't getting blessed or rezzed anyway even with the power cost. So upon further consideration, those two things don't even count for utility for non-sacrament users.

The honor benefit for non-sacrament users requires that the individual be with a sacraments user at all times. Are both inconvenient? Yes. Which is more so? Doesn't matter. Trying to say that this Altar is unique in its limited utility for people who don't have a particular skillset isn't a great argument.

Again, not saying that it shouldn't have universal utility. I'm just saying don't say it should have that because everyone else has that. It should have it because it's an organizational construct and so the whole organization should see some benefit from it beyond power gain and protection for its other constructs.

I'd assume they do. I'm just saying that usually the argument for the font tends to revolve around how useful it is for smaller people. None of these things that require at least 1500 mana are going to be a newbie's dream so benefits of these things for people under their mid-30s can't really be taken into account when talking about overall utility.

If you're going to give everyone in the commune the ability to release shadows then -please- make it a different kind of shadows.

Shadows that can be used to put up the drink effect from nightaura but that DO NOT halt regeneration, and that cannot be used to stack other night effects such as brumetower or choke on them. If a Night-user wants to use those effects they should have to release their own shadows.

i agree with aesyra..have lesser shadows just allow drink to be used for say 1 power a room, normal shadows can still be released if you wish to use other night effects

I'm pretty sure that was the suggestion.

If we're going to make another type of shadow that can be released, instead of costing 1p per each room it's released in, why not make it cost something like 50% of your mana? Painful to use in PvP, but can still be released around an area for hunting purposes.

Alternatively, could have it last a significant amount longer than the shadows that halt regeneration.

(Aes, I don't think anyone wants to give Glom-in-general a stop-all-regen power.)

I find it amusing that we are now back to the suggestion that first came up on page 1...apparently people don't read threads very well before posting!

I would be okay with this as a half-mana skill, primarily because it would be horrible for PVP use (which it mostly is anyway), and would still be expensive to use in a large area. It accomplishes basically the same thing power does; doesn't really matter much which is used.

Mana is free. Power is not.

That's what everyone said.


And omfg, 50% of mana would be so awesome. (And make the Minishadows last 15-20 minutes. Pwnage) I'd totally defend the Altar to death.

But self-limiting, too, for multiple reasons.

I think it's a good compromise! (And useful for Night users, too!)

If you don't like drink, perhaps give everyone the ability to steal?

maybe even make it work on mobs?

This would interfere with my proposed Crowform mod.

Anyways-- I think this solution works. Let Nightwraith allow you to make a weaker form of shadows in the room that only works for Drink, that costs 50% of your mana. Self-limiting (can't cast multiple times in succession, especially not in PvP), but isn't cutting into a finite resource, just mana potions / sparkleberries / regenerations.

It'd give me a good reason to buy a mana-regen artifact, too.

Pah, don't make things so complicated. Change your proposal


edit: why are hte forums taking so long to load all the buttons! I've gotten rid of avatars and sigs and it's still slow!

Your internet connection loathes you.

I think the "simple" (in concept, though maybe not in code) change is still the way to go!

I guess since Glomdoring has commune-wide, less-costing shadowdance drink I'm free to offer their bodies, too! Yay!

(That's me expressing my general disgruntledness at the opinion 'LOL, you have RANGED soulrezz so we can go ahead and offer your body and not care for the ~12 sacrifices that happen).

I'm pretty sure you understand that makes no sense.

I hope.

Its not my internet connection. Since it happens in ALL places I access the site from. (even England!) Though it might be the skin I'm using.