The Night Altar

by Kaervas

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Furien2007-08-06 19:36:11
That was the idea behind posting it in an annoyed comparision to people always offering/eating Serenwilders.

Otherwise, people with the Nightwraith aura probably should be able to release some form of shadows, or else the ability's mostly useless (minus the free astral deal, I guess)
Forren2007-08-06 19:36:41
The construct is perfectly fine as is, and would be quite better than other constructs already in existance. The fact that only Night users can release shadows does not diminish its effect in a group, where more than likely shadows will be dropped.
Xenthos2007-08-06 19:38:50
QUOTE(Furien @ Aug 6 2007, 03:36 PM) 431953
That was the idea behind posting it in an annoyed comparision to people always offering/eating Serenwilders.

Otherwise, people with the Nightwraith aura probably should be able to release some form of shadows, or else the ability's mostly useless (minus the free astral deal, I guess)

The better comparison would be to the DarkNest, though.

"When the DarkNest is built, if you kill a Glomdoring member you can offer their body if they are Rebirthing. Sequence of events:
Kill Glomdoring member.
See if, on death, Avenger gave you a warning about killing said person.
If not, offer corpse, track down egg.
Kill again.
Watch vitae occur.
Wave and leave, having gained +whatever essence."

But this is the wrong thread for this discussion-- basically just pointing out that you're comparing it to the wrong Construct. You'd want to compare this to your Stag one, when it's released.
Ashteru2007-08-06 19:39:27
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 07:36 PM) 431954
The construct is perfectly fine as is, and would be quite better than other constructs already in existance. The fact that only Night users can release shadows does not diminish its effect in a group, where more than likely shadows will be dropped.

However, it is supposed to have utility as well. And by allowing people with the aura to drop a really minor form of shadow that only allows drink, for a steep manacost, provides this utility.
Xenthos2007-08-06 19:39:57
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 03:36 PM) 431954
The construct is perfectly fine as is, and would be quite better than other constructs already in existance. The fact that only Night users can release shadows does not diminish its effect in a group, where more than likely shadows will be dropped.

Which means it's completely useless 95% of the time for anyone who isn't a Night user...

Edit: See Ashteru's post above. He's got it exactly right. This change won't really hit PvP much, but will work wonders for utility.
Forren2007-08-06 19:40:08
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 03:39 PM) 431959
However, it is supposed to have utility as well. And by allowing people with the aura to drop a really minor form of shadow that only allows drink, for a steep manacost, provides this utility.


The utility aspect is being able to transport yourself to the bubble from other planes, etc.
Xenthos2007-08-06 19:41:22
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 03:40 PM) 431961
The utility aspect is being able to transport yourself to the bubble from other planes, etc.

See: Nestreturn.
Ashteru2007-08-06 19:41:46
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 07:40 PM) 431961
The utility aspect is being able to transport yourself to the bubble from other planes, etc.

What etc.?
And it's astral, ethereal and prime. Only place that's useful is UV.
Unknown2007-08-06 20:14:49
We should just get rid of the no-regen aspect.

No, really.

I like the lesser shadow idea though.
Furien2007-08-06 20:19:02
The Commune Bubbles are godly for anyone who doesn't want to pay for a cubix. By the time you're finished up, you can just teleport back and see if your Mirror-deal has changed to another sphere.

Also useful if you get stuck in the Catacombs, too.
Ashteru2007-08-06 20:25:41
QUOTE(Furien @ Aug 6 2007, 08:19 PM) 431975
The Commune Bubbles are godly for anyone who doesn't want to pay for a cubix. By the time you're finished up, you can just teleport back and see if your Mirror-deal has changed to another sphere.

Also useful if you get stuck in the Catacombs, too.

A ship is far better. :/ If I had a one room one, it'd have payed off by now.
Forren2007-08-06 20:41:12
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 04:25 PM) 431979
A ship is far better. :/ If I had a one room one, it'd have payed off by now.


On the contrary, if you wander from sphere to sphere like I used to do, bashing linked mobs, chances are your original sphere will disconnect and you won't be left with a direct path home without asking for someone to go to a cosmic plane. I used to annoy lots of Celestians because I frequently asked for Celestia targets - I'd just meld to my desired sphere and return there when I wanted, but I'd still need a path home. It is definitely a utility ability to be able to return home from astral. Don't need a cubix anymore.
Ashteru2007-08-06 20:44:27
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 08:41 PM) 431986
On the contrary, if you wander from sphere to sphere like I used to do, bashing linked mobs, chances are your original sphere will disconnect and you won't be left with a direct path home without asking for someone to go to a cosmic plane. I used to annoy lots of Celestians because I frequently asked for Celestia targets - I'd just meld to my desired sphere and return there when I wanted, but I'd still need a path home. It is definitely a utility ability to be able to return home from astral. Don't need a cubix anymore.

Nothing worth to build a construct over, though.
Forren2007-08-06 20:58:14
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 04:44 PM) 431988
Nothing worth to build a construct over, though.


Don't think 2 second shield was worth building a construct over, but we built it for the hell of it anyway. Yours provides transport, increased shadow gathering (I hear this is a pain), drink for all aura-wearers with shadows released (great in groups).. I'm not sure what the whining is about, tbh.
Ashteru2007-08-06 21:02:01
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 08:58 PM) 431993
Don't think 2 second shield was worth building a construct over, but we built it for the hell of it anyway. Yours provides transport, increased shadow gathering (I hear this is a pain), drink for all aura-wearers with shadows released (great in groups).. I'm not sure what the whining is about, tbh.

It's effect is purely PvP related right now, whereas your construct also gives other, general advantages for bashing. Same for Lich, and, to an extend, soulrezz.
Forren2007-08-06 21:04:19
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 05:02 PM) 431998
whereas your construct also gives other, general advantages for bashing. Same for Lich, and, to an extend, soulrezz.


What general advantages for bashing?
Ashteru2007-08-06 21:06:16
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 6 2007, 09:04 PM) 431999
What general advantages for bashing?

5% damage reduction, health, mana, ego prayers, a prayer that lets you cure one affliction, a prayer that lets you shield. Oh, and the benedictions can help there, too.

That's pretty good, imho. For Astral as well as normal bashing.
Forren2007-08-06 21:11:44
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 6 2007, 05:06 PM) 432002
5% damage reduction, health, mana, ego prayers, a prayer that lets you cure one affliction, a prayer that lets you shield. Oh, and the benedictions can help there, too.

That's pretty good, imho. For Astral as well as normal bashing.


The health/mana/ego prayers are not anywhere as good as the regular skills we have. Twirl Staff > all. Prayer that lets me shield faster is nice, but not necessary. Benedictions aren't that expensive, so the free part isn't that great, but it's useful.

Everything pales in comparison to the constructs for Magnagora (lich4all!) and Serenwilde.
Acrune2007-08-06 21:15:05
We should be able to pray off balance and off eq biggrin.gif
Unknown2007-08-06 21:36:05
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Aug 6 2007, 09:39 PM) 431960
Which means it's completely useless 95% of the time for anyone who isn't a Night user...


The Lunar Altar is just as useless to me... -every- other construct (excluding the DarkNest) would be more useful to me. tongue.gif

EDIT @ Forren: I'd trade the Angelfont for the Lunar Altar.... but the rest of Serenwilde probably wouldn't. Why can't you all just get demigod and realize how pointless resurgems are. At least you get some utility out of it all, Forren. wink.gif