...you would use the DarkNest?

No. Be honest. You wouldn't.

Tbh, I believe all you need to do to get it changed is to build it. I can understand the Admin saying they won't bother considering changes if you don't bother building it and giving it a chance.

EDIT: And no, are you crazy? I don't use vitae either. That's why my previous post said 'excluding the DarkNest'

Oh...misinterpreted. I'm doing this while packing, so I'm not always following.

Comparing it to the Moon Altar, with your logic, you could argue it's useless for people without moon, since you need someone with Moon to resurgem you, as the altar doesn't grant the other two thirds of the commune the MOONDANCE RESURGEM ability.

My opinions, since they were asked for:It should not be night-time dependant, neither should not allow non-shadowdancers to release shadows(that I am the most against happening), and lastly it should not stop the natural regen's of someone with the aura.

I’ve no problem with it showing up in def.

Most serenguard take moon, so it levels out above 1/3 of the commune having.

Also, for a note. Shadowdane drink is a weaker replica of a Serenwilde skill, stagtotem.

a) Stagtotem affects all allies of the user, not just Stag users.
Stagtotem refreshes a larger % of health
c) Initially Stagtotem refreshes at a faster rate, though near the end of the totem is tapers off at 2 seconds slower than drink does.
d) Don't need a room effect to cast stagstotem, however I do realize that drink is a defence, which is a nice bonus.
e) Not sure if this was changed, but stagstotem can be cast off eq.

Everyone in the Serenwilde can already benefit from Stagtotem, frankly I do not see the issue with Drink working for everyone at night and requiring shadows during the day. But eh, the construct sucks as is for the moment. All it is to a shadowdancer is a minor reduction in power usage pre-combat/bashing, thus giving no real benefit.

what utility, praying is a waste of time since all our other skills are better (especially for forren who has twirl staff). The exception is praying to elohora which might get you out of a lock, but how many times is Forren in a cure lock.

power has absolutely no influence on Forren, just on people like me who end up chanting benediction

Resurrect/sacrifice if i place the harmony spire it is better for this and even cheaper (everyone can rezz then and sac is rare)

5% damage reduction...

Honour I can not comment on because I already had it but I doubt it is all that good for a demigod.


teleport to a bubble from astral is very nice by the way, not everyone has a cubix, and I suspect the bubble is more secure then the higher fulcrux.

However having the angelfont suck in our oppinions does not mean the glom thing needs to suck. Lesser shadows is a nice solution.

I would highly recommend against building the construct and then hoping for changes to it. We tried that with the Angelfont. Built it and then throughly tested it and came up with suggestions on how to make it useful and it was never touched again. Maybe that was just Celest but I definitely would not build it and hope for improvements unless you have other reasons for building it. Namely - power and a distraction from the constructs you actually care about.

it does show in a def, its just cryptic.

Okay, this thread is becoming less and less helpful.

1. This is not a thread to argue about how useless your own construct is. Of course, my construct sucks and every other construct is better. That's what we all think. If you want to discuss your construct, make a separate thread for it. This isn't the place.

2. Please avoid bias. Some of the posts seem like they're either uninformed or blatantly biased; not sure which it really is, but let's be careful to actually stick to the points.

Praying to Elohora.. I'd rather use offense or tumble to get out and cure of I'm in trouble.

Honour does not go above the level 3 regen cap (which Demigods have on all planes), so I don't benefit one bit from it. Drink does, I believe you effectively get level 5.

And yeah.. I wish Angelfont could be looked at. I don't blame Glom for not building the DarkNest, with no assurance it will be adjusted while they waste gold and power to upkeep a poor construct.

No.

Your fighting stance is defending your legs.
You are in complete control of your waking mind.
Your blood is clotting by virtue of the Ray of the Kingdom.
Your mana is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of Perfection.
Your health is regenerating by virtue of the Ray of the Merciful Hand.
You can walk upon water.
You are deflecting incoming projectiles.
You are rooted.
Your body is covered in black oily feathers.
The pull of the earth roots you more firmly to the ground.
Your vision is heightened to see in the dark.
You have insomnia, and cannot easily go to sleep.
Your insides are warmed by a fire potion.
You have ingested the kafe bean and are feeling extremely energetic.
Your mind is sensing the death of others.
You are viewing the world through the third eye.
You are walking on a small cushion of air.
You are protected by 17 defences.
3890h, 4480m, 4252e, 10p, 13320en, 21300w lrxk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3890h, 4480m, 4252e, 10p, 13320en, 21300w elrxk-

touch altar

The cold of Mother Night surrounds you as you reach out and touch the Tenebrous Altar of Shadows.
Your spirit is already blessed as a Nightwraith.

Yeah, I'm not going to read through 8 pages, but the construct sucks. Drink should just work everywhere, it wouldn't be any more overpowered than lich for everyone or ranged sacrifice.

Not everyone is demigod, has twirl staff, trans skills, etc. Could be please stop basing the construct off of how useful they are to individuals and focus on how useful they are to larger groups. This construct does very little for bards, druids, trackers, and Crow Ebonguard besides the ability to teleport to the Night bubble.

i skimmed through a lot.



seems like there's a problem with actually using drink for everyone, I agree shouldn't be dependant on having a SD with you everywhere. But it's not like the Moon altar lets you do anything extra special on your own. resurgem still relies on others to make use of. and it's not even really a benefit because you're counting on the generousity of someone else to die and lose experience for you, though you still lose experience because you actually have to be dead beforehand. The people that benefit from this are those who get the killing hits on sacrifices and don't ever sacrifice themselves. sure it's not giving you much utility other than solo coning, teleporting from astral, a new gold quest ground, essentially halved shadow gathering cost, less drink power cost. but if that's not enough, don't build it. I mean glom didn't even build their escape from death construct. combat wise, The moon altar didn't get much for that, but neither did night. You can still hunt with others and get the benefit and during raids everyone gets the drink benefit. It's a good construct I think.


if I weren't a demi, I totally would.



I can name one serenguard who has Stag and that's Iasmos. I can name four druids who can use stag totem and that's Kalo, barrin, Saran, Nessa. While it does look like a stag totem replica, I compare it with moon since it's generally night/moon crow/stag. So when we compare it to the Moon altar, everyone says long range SR is OP. i stopped caring about that argument since I don't die, but let's take a look at what it does. it almost guarantees you won't have to pray because seren is full of snuggly people who just want to save each other. all that does for moon users is the same thing. we both get to cone solo. we both get to teleport to night/moon. someone said night has a gold quest, while moon doesn't. that's not combat related anyways. resurgem covens require 3 people. so the combat benefits here is that we can have an additional two people raid (assuming there's even enough for standby resurgems anymore which there isn't because of monks) instead where previously we needed 5 on the side just to resurgem. the soul resurgem lets us take the extra 3 people along, but in exchange will generally result in a minimum of 5 people having to die and lose experience to prevent others from losing more experience. So in any case it gives us a couple of numbers. with the number of fighters we have, that wouldn't really matter because the 2-5 extra 'raiders' we'd get would be part of the zerg or smallbies who raid like they're bashing. minimally useful, especially if they're using nature curse since they're generally small moonies or druids. you guys get power reduction, giving no real benefit. It's pretty much the same. no real benefit on either side. you guys can gather an extra shadow for the same price now. no benefit either. we get soul rez. This is not a benefit because you actually have to die to 'benefit' from this.

try and keep comparisons though. yeah above I said compare moon/night blah blah, but we also compare constructs to construct. how useful is the altar to everyone without moon? good in that they can be resurgemed. it doesn't add anything helpful, but it does take away negative things like extra xp loss. however you guys also have the option of building another construct that will benefit everyone similarly to the moon altar. I think you already said you wanted it anyways. This altar provides a ton of utility and gives bashing partners/groups and raids extra bonuses. Similarly I'm expecting the stag construct not to help a bunch other than a small skill for everyone and lowered power costs to stag users (maybe even another benefit for them since I can't recall what else the crow construct does and stag users don't really rely on shadows and such).

mentioning peoples' own constructs is very on topic and counters the attempts of others to say "everyone else's constructs benefit everyone much more than this nightwraith aura, so this one should be changed" because, in fact, they don't. i still adamently disagree with drink being up all the time, or even all through nighttime, but the lesser shadow idea has grown on me. assuming this shadow doesn't gut other peoples' regens and can't be choked in among other things... this solution sounds more than reasonable

odd, the first time I touched it I had 1 and then 2 defences.

Yeah.. most people agree they're overpowered.



Not everyone is inept and lacks the good skills for their class. Nothx on newbie constructs.

Right, so the altar should be equally overpowered, since the Nest sure isn't.

99% of people are in agreement that the Nest is rather bad.

Wanting something to be overpowered because something else is though...