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Daereth2007-09-28 04:29:24
QUOTE(Tael Talnara @ Sep 27 2007, 11:19 PM) 444914
Let's not forget Sojistun ™ and Sojirowned ™.


Yes, good god nerf sojiro stun
Unknown2007-09-28 04:31:02
+10 epeen, go me.

Yeah, stun in general needs tweaking, which we envoys are definitely working to fix as we speak.
Yrael2007-09-28 13:19:08
QUOTE(Vathael @ Sep 28 2007, 01:44 PM) 444873
Are you censor.gif kidding me? Bards are not hard to fight. If your system automatically pauses because of certain illusions then fix it, turn off the afflict line for that fight or something. Simple censor.gif and you people censor.gif about it. You don't have to reset Palisade just simple DIAGNOSE and it's like "Oh hey, I'm not REALLY afflicted with that." then it goes back to what it's doing. You are too damn over dramatic about censor.gif. Bard damage is Minimal and on top of that, I can't say I've ever really had complaints about Bard damage unless it's, for example, an Acrune combined with a Narsrim staff which hurts like crazy. It's not hard to writhe from transfix, I really don't see why that's even an issue. On the note of alts, I would imagine the point of making an alt is to get away from all the censor.gif you get on your main and just because you know who someone's alt is doesn't mean you need to go run your censor.gif mouth about it just because some little novice hands you your ass.


See, if you'll notice - IT DOESN'T PAUSE THE SYSTEM. There are clunky aliases to take care of that, but purposely attempting to crash a system, rather than just mucking it up royally? Go censor.gif yourself. I don't care if I get beaten, it happens on a constant basis anyway. Usually by things more embarassing than a novice bard.

Edit: Oh, poor bloody baby. censor.gif on your main. Oh, however do you cope? Jesus, you must be the only person in the world who gets any abuse or grief or drama to deal with in Lusternia. Harden the :censor: up.
Krellan2007-09-28 18:16:18
QUOTE(Avaer @ Sep 27 2007, 11:00 PM) 444898
I think Bard damage could be toned down. And it could be made to be based on charisma instead of intelligence.

Sidenote: Harbinger ally support songs are awesome! wub.gif whoever got them there.


You can thank Kaervas for that. He got some awesome changes that moved Harbingers from the worst bards to maybe 2nd? I don't really know the cacophony much.

My advice, don't eat earwort. I think someone mentioned it. I never used to eat it even before stun wasn't so wacky. I tend to save it for death songs and perfect fifth and just deal with any song effects, annoying as they may be.
Unknown2007-09-28 19:26:53
QUOTE(Yrael @ Sep 28 2007, 08:19 AM) 445015
See, if you'll notice - IT DOESN'T PAUSE THE SYSTEM. There are clunky aliases to take care of that, but purposely attempting to crash a system, rather than just mucking it up royally? Go censor.gif yourself. I don't care if I get beaten, it happens on a constant basis anyway. Usually by things more embarassing than a novice bard.

Edit: Oh, poor bloody baby. censor.gif on your main. Oh, however do you cope? Jesus, you must be the only person in the world who gets any abuse or grief or drama to deal with in Lusternia. Harden the censor.gif up.


Uh....just wow. Her illusions do not "crash" palisade. Unless you messed with it so much that it crashes. Are you really complaining about an aeon illusion? Or Sap? Or choke? Those are the illusions she uses, I know that for a fact...cause I used them. You just need to calm down and stopping justifying outing alts. It's rude.



And now i know stun is broken and being fixed. That's good. I'm happy.
Malarious2007-09-28 23:55:59
You know maybe I should just get scrolls on combat against each archetype....
Unknown2007-09-29 00:58:28
QUOTE(Krellan @ Sep 28 2007, 06:16 PM) 445046
You can thank Kaervas for that. He got some awesome changes that moved Harbingers from the worst bards to maybe 2nd? I don't really know the cacophony much.

They're really, really fantastic. Screw excess damage, anyone can do that, and I'm happy with bards doing moderate damage. I vastly prefer being able to buff usefully, since they're a support class.
Shamarah2007-09-29 01:26:35
Cantors > Harbingers > Cacophony > Spiritsingers
Furien2007-09-29 01:28:10
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Xavius2007-09-29 01:42:07
Shamarah lies. Spiritsingers are so incredibly OP. I'd rather fight a Cantor or Harbinger any day.
Shiri2007-09-29 01:45:11
I'm not exactly familiar with bards, but is cacophony really that bad? Between the eq bonus song and hunger effects, eh...
Shamarah2007-09-29 01:57:23
They're not bad by any means. They're just not as omgwtfuber as Cantors and Harbingers, mostly because their best stuff (hunger) takes a minute or two to actually take effect.
Tael2007-09-29 04:32:11
Harbingers have definitely moved up from the Ninth Circle of Hell. That position now respectively belongs to the Shofangi. >.>

EDIT: Spiritsingers are alright. Wildarrane just has zero synergy with the rest of their skills. You'd be better with Ecology than Glamours, which.. is meh to most people. Though Glamours has a skill that can make you tired too. Pixiedust is just -way- better for it.
Arvont2007-09-29 04:58:28
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Sep 29 2007, 09:26 AM) 445113
Cantors > Harbingers > Cacophony > Spiritsingers



QUOTE(Tael Talnara @ Sep 29 2007, 12:32 PM) 445155
Harbingers have definitely moved up from the Ninth Circle of Hell. That position now respectively belongs to the Shofangi. >.>

EDIT: Spiritsingers are alright. Wildarrane just has zero synergy with the rest of their skills. You'd be better with Ecology than Glamours, which.. is meh to most people. Though Glamours has a skill that can make you tired too. Pixiedust is just -way- better for it.


So, what? The new one is:

Cantors > Harbingers > Spiritsingers > Cacophony >>>>>>>>>>>> Shofangi

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Alodia2007-09-30 14:34:51
Toning down bard damage would really be nice... It just seems wrong rp wise to have them do really insane damage, plus they get to have real nice afflictions already (given they take glamours, and honestly who doesnt lately?).
Unknown2007-09-30 15:52:56
QUOTE(Alodia @ Sep 30 2007, 07:34 AM) 445431
Toning down bard damage would really be nice... It just seems wrong rp wise to have them do really insane damage, plus they get to have real nice afflictions already (given they take glamours, and honestly who doesnt lately?).


You can't nerf the primary skillset because of the secondaries. Nerf Glamours a bit, beef Ecology, and then take a look at Music. But saying that because Glamours is overpowered that Music should be nerfed is supremely silly and ignorant.
Alodia2007-09-30 16:07:40
nope this isnt a glamours is overpowered rant... simply bard damage should be re evaluated... the current damage they deal simply isnt... believable...
Unknown2007-09-30 16:08:59
Glamours needs adjustment, yea. Music is a fine skillset, there are only two changes that should be made: Less base MinorSecond damage, and DischordantChord doing something significant.
Alodia2007-09-30 16:33:53
QUOTE(Salvation @ Oct 1 2007, 12:08 AM) 445446
Glamours needs adjustment, yea. Music is a fine skillset, there are only two changes that should be made: Less base MinorSecond damage, and DischordantChord doing something significant.


This what I was suggesting...
Malarious2007-10-02 08:21:32
Monks are INSANE bashers, with insane combat power... they aint in hell by any means.. they kick arse.

I now have someone who ADMITTEDLY went bard to get titan/demi and then plans to switch. LIKE I SAID WOULD HAPPEN!

Anyway... bard damage is already being looked at by your friendly neighborhood spid... erm... envoys.

Carry on