Forren's trying to help everyone out here by doing a lot of the time-consuming work of collecting trigger lines at no advantage to himself. I really don't see how anyone can call him out for providing a free service for something like this. You have people complain that the learning curve for this game is too high to really get involved, well here's a man that's doing something about it. There's absolutely zero grounds to call him out for it. Combat in this game should be based on player skill not whether or not their opponent is able to cure a given affliction because they haven't seen it before.

I am a very proud free spirit. I have no undue reverence for Forren. I am generally amused by the CFDS.

You're still a bit off kilter.

I am way off kilter sometimes, thats what makes things so damn fun!

Uh, so if you worked with Forren before to get him the lines, what's all this big deal with claiming that he's an enemy now and refusing to?

Before he was King of Celest. So in rp wise, to us he was just someone in the council we could try to use to our advantage (rp wise) and I am sure (rp wise) he thought of us as just some lowly magnagoran scum who he could learn from and tell them what they wanted to hear.

But after he became King, you really can't pact deals as you once could (at least rp wise) with him.

And no this is not the exact way it played out, but it is a way that could be explained to a guild without as much shunning as sneaking off with the leader of your enemies org

Thats pretty weak...

Wait...and I'M accused of having bad roleplay? Geez, at least the things I do make sense with the city all around and not just in some areas...

edit- that was an off the cuff rp explanation, it didnt go down like that just so you know... I was making a quick example Stop hatin on mah arrrrr peeehhh skillz (which suck)

How do you want me to explain 6 months ago when I helped him with some PB lines? It was covert. I didn't have to explain myself.


But now, the person(s) who helped Forren with the ninjakari lines. They were helping the leader of another city. If it is OOC well then there is nothing you can do. If it was IC, what would you say if someone of high rank in your city went and helped a Leader of your opposing org to "train" them in the ways of a guild? (And knowing the lines were being worked on with someone who is less aggressive towards the city)


It was alot easier for OOC and RP to work with Sojiro (for me at least), and you can ask him. Ask him why we didn't release them before Forren. He will tell you what we were waiting for from the "divine typo admins".

Anyways, enough about that its no big deal OOC, it may be handled IC wise. I don't think that person(s) is long in his/her career.


All in all.... Carry on... Fight the good fight, yadda yadda... I will see Forren again soon on the forumfield, he will have pints duct taped to his fists while he pummels me with beer and glass..... I can see it now....

A lot of guilds require their members to spar against other guilds in other cities, so I wouldn't say much about it at all.

At the time (and seriously I am not sure why but there could be two reasons) we were not allowed to fight with our chains until the guild leaders said it was ok. Now I would be in favour of this for one reason. And I hope the guild did this for the same reason and not the other I will say.

My hopeful reason: There was no cure for twisted limb that Sojiro and I could find, nothing besides allheale cured it. If we were to use our chains and with twisted limb being 3-4 (I think) ruptures, It would be really bad news.

The other reason: It could be that the guild was trying to keep the skill lines longer than needed. I do hope this was not the true reason, but we can never really know. I just at least like to think we weren't supposed to use them because of the wierd nothing besides allheale cured it thing.

But you know with bugs, they never really announce bug fixes so that you know for sure it is working right....


Again, I hope and Sojiro and I discussed this aspect too after the limb discovery, that the real reason we shouldnt use our chains quite yet was because of the cure. But I will never really know

Very useful, much appreciated

I should probably post an update for the status of the list.

I've been really lazy and haven't merged other lines collected into it. Ninjakari and Stealth lines are here. Eventually I'll get Healing lines in. Eventually.

I've never really coded anything before, and I've been working on a system for myself. Going by the "Curing System Tutorial" sticky in this folder.

I got the variables and aliases set up, however I find myself at the triggers. And having seen the affliction list, I'm scared as hell. This is extremely daunting.

I've been working on mine since last summer, and it's almost done. Have fun!

That long?! In Imperian, it took me the 30 days I was on True disfavor to code one with illusion checking, prioritizing/qeues, and some other things thrown in for flavor. Without ever knowing how far I could take the coding of zmud. The whole thing coded into zmud direct, and using the Function and Command Wizards for information. I'm hoping to be able to adapt it to Lusternia when I get some more free time. This list was actually what I was looking for. So I'll hopefully be able to get it done.

Here's a hint: Find or make your self a prompt trigger to check for balance, standing or not, and to make your custom prompt. From there, the possibilities are virtually endless!!

It's more difficult if you are doing it the first time and have no idea how to go about it. Reading other people's systems helps a lot there but if you have none available.. well it just takes a lot of time.

yeah, I had none available... I just knew what I wanted it to do. And didn't leave town for those 30RL days...I sat in town, helped with things I could, and worked on the system.

Writing one for Lusternia is much, much harder than writing one for Imperian.

And you had Whyte's available if you wanted to look at it.

No I didn't....have you tried to look into his list of triggers?! That WHOLE thing is confusing....I tried...it sucks.... I got my list from Affliction Message List for Imperian Thats where I got my affliction trigger lines from. Whyte's is utterly confusing and SUCKS for illusion checking. It is also FULL of holes. Anyone who has a stock Whyte's does not fight. They have it for bashing triggers, and for the map. Thats IT! Ask anyone in Imperian. That system gets exploited SO much. Because Whyte doesn't play anymore, so there is no more updates to it. So yeah. Don't think I didn't just sit there and do it. Because trust me...I did. I will be spending probably the next 2-3 weeks working on adapting my system to here. We'll have to see how it goes. Major differences I see is the MAJOR relying on Equilibrium with the Nihilists. But hopefully that should be too much of a problem. I've already got a few things converted. But nothing major. My hard thing is to be converting over the illusion check system. Seeing as how it's kind of built into the regular curing system. Turned on and off by an alias. I don't know.... we'll see... I'll keep you all posted with updates as I get them.




And honestly, I don't think it will be that much harder. I mean here you have "Focus Body", and skills to gain mana and health. There we didn't. You'r paralyze curing, healing, and mana were based off two balances. Healing and Mana balance, and paralyze was on the herb balance. So for a decent system, you HAD to have it prioritize by the balance. And it's alot harder to sit and code a system when EVERYONE has Whyte's. And everyone who is a good fighter, pretty much just modified Whyte's and fixed all the holes in it. So there really is no help for zMUD coding on the forums. So you have to piece everything else together, and make it up as you go along. You have NO IDEA how many Orphine Seeds I went through trying to just get my stupidity curing to work right... I remember it glitched out on me once, and I it was stuck in an endless loop of "ir orphine" "eat orphine" I ate over 2500 orphine seeds then....and crashed my computer..... that sucked.....

He wasn't saying use it yourself, he was saying look at it. And didn't Fazlee patch up Whyte's and use it himself?

EDIT: And from what I can remember, Whyte's data file was really logical.