Demigod Nerf

by Forren

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Xavius2007-08-31 09:00:04
QUOTE(Yrael @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 AM) 437375
Six months is not exactly an inconsiderable period of time.


You joined the forums 32 months ago.
Kaervas2007-08-31 10:18:30
I quite like the change actually, though I'd suggest the time be lowered slightly to 10-12 seconds and it work from indoors, mono could still stop it. Though I am curious as to why it doesn't send us to the peaced room anymore, it is intended for people to get jumped as they go up there? Just realized the new room got peaced too, ignore that. tongue.gif

The prime regen should be mentioned in the help file again too.
Unknown2007-08-31 10:36:24
New power:

QUOTE
- VEIL OF THE HEAVENS
-- From their lofty sanctuary in the Divine Havens, a Demigod may
part the veils that bind the planes and tesseract to a mortal on any
known plane of existence.


== Aetherways + 18 seconds to get there?
Yrael2007-08-31 10:49:40
QUOTE(Xavius @ Aug 31 2007, 07:00 PM) 437386
You joined the forums 32 months ago.


...so? I've been here on and off, and until recently, never even got above 65. I don't have that much interest in mindlessly grinding. I'd much rather be doing whatever seemes entertaining at the time. It doesn't change the fact that six months is a bloody long time.

Ashteru2007-08-31 11:54:47
Rofl, I am off to get smashed and they nerf the main reason I went Demi. Really cool.
Ialie2007-08-31 12:13:35



I'm not exactly sure what to say about it. The change does little to me except cost a little time that I probably have. The Tesseract skill is pretty neat. I wish more demigod RP skills could be added though. There is also the benefit of making your description look like anything you want it to regardless of your base race.


I don't know what I think about it really.
Kharvik2007-08-31 12:22:37
Nooooo. Now I might actually die when in trouble! shocked.gif


That said, I could really care less that they did this, but I do wish they'd replace it with something else, as it IS a nerf. If we are divine I wish we could use some of our "divine power" to effect other people without having to be in an order. Or even something useless that has no play in combat at all but is purely RP would be cool (I'm idealess though, I think Aesyra had some ideas on that). Come now! First fire, then astral exits, now this, vaht is next? Honestly the +3 stats are facking awesome (mostly for bashing though), but are hardly worth all the time I put in to reaching lvl 100 I think. Most of the notoriously good fighters like Geb or Amaru dont have these stats and utterly own most people.

At this point, I'd rather be a Titan.

#20 HEARTSTOP
Ialie2007-08-31 12:28:18
QUOTE(Kharvik @ Aug 31 2007, 08:22 AM) 437401
Nooooo. Now I might actually die when in trouble! shocked.gif
That said, I could really care less that they did this, but I do wish they'd replace it with something else, as it IS a nerf. If we are divine I wish we could use some of our "divine power" to effect other people without having to be in an order. Or even something useless that has no play in combat at all but is purely RP would be cool (I'm idealess though, I think Aesyra had some ideas on that). Come now! First fire, then astral exits, now this, vaht is next? Honestly the +3 stats are facking awesome (mostly for bashing though), but are hardly worth all the time I put in to reaching lvl 100 I think. Most of the notoriously good fighters like Geb or Amaru dont have these stats and utterly own most people.

At this point, I'd rather be a Titan.

#20 HEARTSTOP



A custom damage attack that did the same thing but just varied in what it looked like between different Demigods.

Custom enter and exit messages.

Krellan2007-08-31 12:50:29
we should be able to radiate like a custom aura. which would just be what people see instead of Kharvik towers here. or it could be tacked on to the end.
Ialie2007-08-31 12:51:14
QUOTE(Krellan @ Aug 31 2007, 08:50 AM) 437407
we should be able to radiate like a custom aura. which would just be what people see instead of Kharvik towers here. or it could be tacked on to the end.



Yeah I don't like the towers here line because it forest me to be tall when I'm supposed to look like a faeling.
Shiri2007-08-31 13:12:37
Ooh. I want that too if so, I have the same problem.
Unknown2007-08-31 13:27:58
Actually, I'd just like to see an attribute added to short desc called size that you could turn off or on with a config value.

Config Seesize Off
Config Seerace Off
Tully, Janitor of the Basin is here. Ialie, Rainbow princes flutters here. Bubba is here.

Config Seesize On
Config Seerace Off

Short Dwarf Tully, Janitor of the Basin is here, dwarvish sized. Tiny Faeling Ialie, Rainbow princess, flutters here. Tall Igashio Bubba is here.

But not to Hijack...

It is a shame that Demigods are getting depowered a lot. I guess there are reasons, a few people overusing abilities, but at the same time it must be hard to go from Thunderclap to no-thunderclap, Divine Fire turing into a Super-Serpent, etc. They really should try to make it more useful, or perhaps remove the Level Cap and add ranks of Demigod so you gain more power from more work. When there are people who refuse to go beyond Titan there;s gotta be something wrong.


Shiri2007-08-31 13:42:51
QUOTE(Phred @ Aug 31 2007, 02:27 PM) 437413
Actually, I'd just like to see an attribute added to short desc called size that you could turn off or on with a config value.

Config Seesize Off
Config Seerace Off
Tully, Janitor of the Basin is here. Ialie, Rainbow princes flutters here. Bubba is here.

Config Seesize On
Config Seerace Off

Short Dwarf Tully, Janitor of the Basin is here, dwarvish sized. Tiny Faeling Ialie, Rainbow princess, flutters here. Tall Igashio Bubba is here.

But not to Hijack...

It is a shame that Demigods are getting depowered a lot. I guess there are reasons, a few people overusing abilities, but at the same time it must be hard to go from Thunderclap to no-thunderclap, Divine Fire turing into a Super-Serpent, etc. They really should try to make it more useful, or perhaps remove the Level Cap and add ranks of Demigod so you gain more power from more work. When there are people who refuse to go beyond Titan there;s gotta be something wrong.


Phoenix is the cause of it. If I went demigod I'd have to bash a lot more than I'd really like to after having already done all this work - every time I died I'd lose more than I do now with no real way of mitigating it. I don't want to have the pressure of either doing that much work or falling to 1% titan. If it weren't for that I'd do regardless of overpowered abilities, just for the coolness of being a demigod.
Krellan2007-08-31 13:53:35
eventually after the couple million you realize you'll never really lose it unless you want to
Shiri2007-08-31 14:09:03
Yeah, but it'd be a lot easier to lose than titan. The fact that it wouldn't happen isn't the point so much as that I'd have to work more at maintaining it to avoid losing it, if that makes sense to you.
Unknown2007-08-31 15:49:35
QUOTE(Ialie @ Aug 31 2007, 02:13 PM) 437399
I'm not exactly sure what to say about it. The change does little to me except cost a little time that I probably have. The Tesseract skill is pretty neat. I wish more demigod RP skills could be added though. There is also the benefit of making your description look like anything you want it to regardless of your base race.
I don't know what I think about it really.


The intereting bit is that the new 'power' isn't a power at all. You could and can do this from the aetherways just fine! rolleyes.gif

The way I see it they wanted to make demigods look cool (look at the layout of help demigods now) and at the same time give them negliable stuff so people won't bitch anymore. Most of the 'powers' are pretty speudo.

Phoenix is more of a hindrance if you consider conglut, transmigrate, lich etc. There are many ways for mortals to avoid or minimize exp loss. None of them all apply to demigods.

Tesseract to all planes worked from day one from the aetherways. Why would I spend 18 sec to teleport to the havens if I can do it from the aetherways faster?

Divinefire is like serpent on drugs. It's a once per day thingy and it doesn't stop player attacks anymore. Yes there are situations where I need a quick healand DF helps there but most of the other times using serpent and having my system heal would work just fine.


Refresh power / me I hardly use but it has niche uses. Shout is nifty for the rp side, same for the fact that you can set up a custom desc.

EDIT: The +stats are the -only- reason demigods aren't actually worse off than mortals when it comes to utility etc. tongue.gif
Morgfyre2007-08-31 15:55:24
We considered adding a special flavor lightning-bolt attack for Demigods that would be comparable to a mage staff for bashing (less so in PvP), but it was felt that Knights and Monks might feel that it was unfairly biased towards magic users since they would probably still be using their weapons as their main attack, and so it was passed over. However, if a majority of Demigods support the idea (or something similar) then I'm not opposed to bringing the idea up again.

I'll remove the indoors restriction on ascension to the havens since it's now on a timer. The length of the timer should be equal to (or a little shorter than) teleporting to your nexus - I'll check to verify and change it if it's longer.
Morgfyre2007-08-31 15:57:04
QUOTE(shadow @ Aug 31 2007, 08:49 AM) 437453
The intereting bit is that the new 'power' isn't a power at all. You could and can do this from the aetherways just fine! rolleyes.gif


That sounds like a bug!
Shiri2007-08-31 16:05:59
Can you do the haven-thing to bubbles? 99% sure you can't tess there, nor can you tess to things like spirit plane.
Shamarah2007-08-31 16:12:35
QUOTE(Morgfyre @ Aug 31 2007, 11:57 AM) 437456
That sounds like a bug!


That's a bug? I always figured it was intended, the aetherways being between all the planes and stuff.