To be fair, there are people like that in every organisation.

If what the "grapevine" says is true, It sounds like they are using the natural/logical consequences model.

What cutting off novices and resources would do would basically tell Glomdoring they are a super-clan. In other words, they're giving them the choice to keep their RP, but become more private and isolated. It's like cutting off new development for a software project. Eventually what will happen is outside of a dedicated few, most will eventually leave for other products still being developed.

So Glomdoring can exist as long as people are interested. Once the existing people leave, it can be shut down officially. Or get so small it can be shut down with only affecting a few players.



Somehow, assuming other communities come out, I don't think Hallifax or Gaudigulch would have these problems. I think there's a specific problem with Glomdoring that comes from the history of how it was released.

I think the start Glom got set the lines for how it is today already. By now I'd say it's almost impossible to change the last... 1-2? rl years of rp. (When did Glom come out?! I can't remember!)

Looking through here , I think it must have been around Apr/May 2005.

Unless everyone is suddenly keen to "forget" what Glomdoring was like, there can't be any drastic shift in it.

That's half-true. If the admin were willing to completely and inarguably change Glomdoring's fundamental nature (which they're not) everyone else would -have- to readjust. But you're also correct in that there would always be people looking back at the characters' IC legacies, both from within the Commune and from without.

you keep saying you want blood and everytime there's something bloody happening you avoid it! wildnodes burst into air and you go guide!



Krellan wants to have choke
but Glomdoring is way to restrictive for me to consider moving him there. The only way I could ever consider doing it while leaving all of Seren and everything would have to be like how Diamante left with no memories, but that doesn't seem like much fun and with Glom's isolationist like policy and trying to avoid conflict everywhere, I'd already have to limit myself from raiding Serenwilde and with their current policies, I wouldn't be able to fight any of the two cities, so that would mean no fighting at all

Could we get an official admin statement on whether the majority of the playerbase affected by this summit is allowed to peruse a log of the proceedings? Just to be clear.

This is pretty much the one thing that would make me want to leave Glomdoring but my character has no where else to go.

Well from what I picked up from Clise one issue is definitely that people in Glomdoring want problems solved but don't want to do anything for it.

So... A plea to the Shadow Court to INVOLVE PEOPLE, the whole commune! This affects them all. And a plea to everyone in the commune to GET INVOLVED! You like your commune? You'd like to KEEP it?

DO SOMETHING FOR IT!




PS: *pants* Caps exhaust me.

A full log needs to be provided to members of Glomdoring who were not able to attend.

Why anyone would want to see a record of that nonsense is beyond me. It was enlightening to me to see this iron grip on power that I've heard of that some players have and won't budge on, and the quite frankly sickening display of bashing someone not even present to defend themself. I felt Estarra offered a very valid and promising way to begin change, though I honestly don't see it being done voluntarily. At this point, I think Glomdoring is going to be allowed to dwindle down and die out. Those that are active in the daily affairs of the commune really can't do any more, and those that spend the majority of their time out bashing/rooted in one spot chatting in clans can't be really motivated to participate any more than they already are.

*Is dying of suspence seeing Kaervas responding*

Anyway pressure should help get change going and people will have to work with Veyda, so unity into the equation (if unity is possible). Would be sad to see Glom die though.

That's rather how I think it'll go, too. If Estarra isn't just bluffing to try and get some effort out of people (I don't know well enough to say) then I don't think Glomdoring will manage to salvage in a month what it hasn't all year.

That said, I do notice a few Glooms preparing to put some more effort in, so it's not like there's no chance. I just wouldn't get my hopes up if I were a member.

I don't particularly want to see Glomdoring as any sort of exclusive place that isn't open to newbies personally, and I know that a lot of people feel the same. I just hope that more people will realize how serious the situation is and work to help fix it rather than sweep it under the rug as tends to happen in Glomdoring. I'll be doing whatever I can to help and hopefully other people will as well.

It's not like it'd even be about "sweeping it under the rug" - there are a lot of people in every organisation that simply don't care enough to put any effort into bettering it, which is quite understandable since this is a game and not everyone wants to have to work for their fun or gets so attached. Apart from your potential emofist converts, it's not like a lot of them have any reason to care that less newbies will be inducted - if anything, it just makes them more unique. So it'll be on the heads of those of you who are both A) intelligent enough to work out what should be done, care enough to want to, and C) aren't already doing your best to coordinate things and improve the situation.

Good luck though!

Because I'd like to work from fact rather than innuendo.

I don't really have a complaint with Glomdoring. I like it there. Even though I am not an elder turning it into a super-clan with no growth has direct bearing on me. I'd just like to know exactly what was said by Estarra and TPtB.

I think the reason that the meeting was only for long time players and leaders in the commune was because we are the ones to blame as a group for the state Glomdoring's in now- for the most part- and therefore a situation needing to be addressed and remedied by that group. There are of course other factors contributing to Glom's sad state and lack of player retention, but I do think the player leadership is a big, big chunk of it. That said, some leaders in Glom are quite good at what they do. Shayle, Xenthos, Xavius, and Yeralih (and Daganev too!) are all exceptional characters and very talented leaders, but sometimes characters just don't mesh well and it seems that's what's happened. I think Veyda will have a good shot at making things work out, but seriously needs to reign in the power trip and work with his peers, not above them. Or we could just beat the whole lot of the Court until they play nice

I think a lot of people will simply quit glom if it's closed off to new development and newbies. I wouldn't want to be in a stagnant organisation, and if it's no longer an option for newbies (Even though it's not really an option for newbies RIGHT NOW) then it'll just die off.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: The only thing that could fix Glomdoring is a profound change in its atmosphere, feel, and basic principles. That would mean getting rid of Crow, Night, and Viravain as we currently know them, for starters.

I do expect a temporary influx of novices as people who have not already get their alts in before the deadline.