You may or may not know this, but while Xenthos was trying to outlaw Hunting, Daganev Specifically took up hunting to allow people that route, and encouraged ever novice to think about taking up Hunting.

The point being, even with our strict "RP" there were always other routes for people to take. Obviously, there were not enough routes for enough people, but routes were always open.

Could always bring Glomdoring together into an Achaean house-like structure. One "guild", one "commune" but all the various aspects of the Glomdoring comprised within it. Maybe then there might be some chance at the little people standing up?

The thought behind this is that currently, if you're outnumbered in your guild, you really can't do much to make a difference. A tight core clique within a guild and the leadership is pretty much sealed due to its small numbers. However, if all the guilds were combined, you wouldn't have to worry about that. You'd have the various cliques from the guilds still forming together, but now you could still find other people who saw things your way who you could actually work with. Because, for example, it wouldn't just be the Shadowdancers able to push Shayle off the throne, but rather the Shadow Court could end up being comprised of 2 Black Talon, a Harbinger, and 3 Emofist, for all anyone knows.

I dunno, most people will probably shoot it down, but I'd say its a better alternative to closing off the commune to newbies. We've already got collegiums. This is just a slightly bigger step in that direction, and I think it actually fits the Glomdoring's identity pretty well. It would be about charisma and ability to lead the Commune, rather than having your clique controlling a guild and thus giving you power over the whole commune, despite how despised you are by the rest of it.

:shrug: just a thought.

After re-reading that thread (hey, quite a blast to the past), I see it certainly wasn't just I who was somewhat astonished by the choice to make it a decision between sacraments/necromancy/totems and hunting. It's pretty obvious it should've been a choice between Athletics and Hunting, and Hunting/Tracking should have been designed in that way-- would've made a lot of sense, a choice of two different physical skills.

But that argument's pretty old now!

Oh, and to the people who suggest that Glomdoring be manipulative to the outside world, or whatever, and not to have any of its characteristic exist within the commune...

That isn't really possible. How is a person from Glomdoring going to convince somebody from Serenwilde to do anything? Each organization is pitted against all others, and can't really be fooled by somebody from another org. It just doesn't work on any lasting level. Especially when more often than not, other organizations of have blanket rules against letting non allies into their territory in the first place.

The only language in Lusternia international politics is force. The only place for subtlety and the like is internal.

The one time I thought I had a chance of having one org hurt another org through politics and deceit, we were forcefully not allowed to do that (i.e. make Fain Patron of the Ebonguard)

Hey Dag, doesn't that tell you something when your successor gets fed up and leaves so soon after taking office?

I also think that nothing would get done if someone did have the backbone to go through with their vision if it clashed with yours.

What are you talking about? Xenthos got plenty of his vision passed through, even though it clashed with mine. (re: Hunting and Economic policies of Glomdoring) Who the hell am I that I have such power to stop people in their tracks? You are giving me powers that I simply do not have.


I'm not sure what Ashteru quiting should tell me, other than the fact that I really should have told him more about the court politics sooner, and not leave it for the end. But sine Viravain told him to contest me *right then*, even though I knew I hadn't passed on all the info I should have yet, there wasn't much to do about it.

BTW, Adracunin always complained to me about the court also, and how his views and ideas were being ignored. Nothing was different in the court during his GMship either. While Adracunin was awake and active, the guild did well, while he was absent it did poorly. I think its the same for all guilds.

Wow. What a read. I just took the fam hiking for a few hours so now my mind is cleared enough to respond.

1)RP. It is not a cop out to blame the over all RP of Glom. It may not have anything to do with novice retention but it probably does have something to do with attracting fresh true (non-alt) novices. Un-like others I am not nit-picking from the outside. The wyrd may not be a difficult concept for some but it most assuredly is for others. I've had a couple of lowbies recently tell me that they have difficulty wrapping their minds around it. This is why I harp on the undead bit so much. For one there is a difference between say natural spirits and zombie-like undead. If you are new to Glom and actually take the time to read all of the Commune news you do a bit of head scratching when you see Brennan, Rowena, the skeletons, and the zombies. Also, unlike others I am not advocating burning Glom to the ground and pining for Gloriana. I would like to see a tie between Gloriana and Glomdoring. I would like to see a clear cut path of Glomdoring subsuming the legacy of Gloriana. Gloriana was weak and it died. It is dead period. Glomdoring was born because it was strong and it was the only damn place in the Basin that kicked Kethuru's tainted posterior. This plays nicely into I Have No Mercy. Even if my ideas are complete and total compost for some reason Glom does not attract as many novices as other orgs. That is one thing everybody in that log agreed on.

2)Glom does treat novices very well. For the most part. It does not always treat younger characters well. I can think of one example, probably the one Tajalli is referencing, let us call him Mr. Mauve. This guy's RP is a superiority complex and a chip the size of Canada on his shoulder. I have seen his 'lessons' chase away a lowbie. I can think of another example where a character was CDFed for disrespect but it was really just a matter of interpretation. This character was not allowed to defend their position with any passion for fear of it being interpreted as disrespect. I can think of another example where a character had about 5 people give them a lecture like response on CT because they asked for a favor for a non-commune member. Telling the person no is thing but shouting back No Mercy over and over again can be construed as an attack. If you dare have a public disagreement with certain characters in Glom you can expect 5-6 other people to smack you back. Keep in mind that none of these things need be the norm to be bad. It can be occasional thing but if it be public then it can be bad. That one lowbie may not be a person in power but they still usually have 1-3 friends that they play with. The numbers are so low that Glom can't afford to lose those few people.

3)Acrimony. Jeebus you people have it loads. I am starting to think the idea of Glom being a place for hardcore RP is a load of horse hockey. People cannot practice hard core rp by total disassociation from their character and attack other people OOC for IC actions. That's not hard core RP it is mental instability. You can't tell you real world from your fantasy. As for why it does not get issued? Sometimes you don't know who you are getting attacked by. You get the gist of a persons message in an IM but if you don't know their handle then you don't specifically who it is. Or even if it is the same person with multiple names. The people who did it to me didn't advertise their forum names or character names.

4)Changing things. I know I'm not an elder. I know I am an annoying gnat. I've been called such by players and ever reportedly by an admin. I've been called worse by players and reportedly by an admin. I don't care. I'm going to present a few ideas in game. If people like them fine. If they don't I can't be called much worse than what I already have.

I believe Ashteru quit due to OOC issues

And I just want to say I love the Viravain character. Thank you who ever has played you. From the Summer Song to the first Mistress of Webs to the Lady of Thorns. If I had gotten my anniversary essay in on time it would have been all about the RP you provided for me on and off for a few years. I hope we get to see another one of you some day.

i feel stupid for not even knowing that Viravain left until reading that log

No.

I've actually spoken to him about it. No.

Oh. Okay then, never mind. Carry on with the thread.

EDIT: We had 29 people on, and the aethers are actually being used...

So I guess my Glomdoring House idea sucks really badly to not even get a single flame? How sad.

I don't live in Glomdoring, I really don't know enough about the politics there to tell you how badly that idea sucks. Sorry.

That's funny. I've found my own experience to be quite the opposite, and I haven't even resorted to Xin walking around the Serenwilde borders without his shirt on, yet.

Ladies and gentlemen, I've discovered how to raise our population.

You never saw people run from the Serenwilde so fast.

Yeah, but c'mon, the avenue for comedy was opened.

So yeah I tried telling jokes but I don't think that is what Estarra had in mind by changing things.