Alodia2007-09-05 08:55:52
Hmm perhaps I should dive into Glom as well... Either in current form or a new one I wonder...
Unknown2007-09-05 10:02:56
And so the age of Glom alts began that all joined to change things to the better!
PS: I don't have any intention of making an alt to 'fix' Glomdoring in whichever way I find appropriate. Take this whichever way you want but I think I'd do more harm than good anyhow. It's up to all the current Glooms to fix this.
PS: I don't have any intention of making an alt to 'fix' Glomdoring in whichever way I find appropriate. Take this whichever way you want but I think I'd do more harm than good anyhow. It's up to all the current Glooms to fix this.
Unknown2007-09-05 11:58:20
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It's the same thing that has happened to Merloch, who was a breathtakingly amazing leader during his tenure - I've never seen anyone surpass that level of RP and expert direction in shaping a community, although Ibaesha certainly came very close. Now what are the usual mentions of his name? People didn't like that he was involved in an event wherein the forest rejected liches (on its own cognizance, mind you), and he's given as an example of fanaticism and destructive influence, when in reality he is one of the ones most responsible for the long-term success of the Moondancer concept.
If that was jab at me Elryn you need to get of your high #$%^& horse and go back and re-read what I wrote. My character revered Merloch and took after him like a lost puppy. I was nearly ostracised on more then one occasion for supporting him. I'm the one who got grilled by Nikua in the council chambers and was told abandon Merloch or be kicked out and hunted into the ground. I faithfully stood by him because he was an amazing player. I never said he was destructive.
If that was not a jab at me. I sincerely apologise. Intent is often hard to understand in text form. Still, he was a fanatic and the Moondancers were fanatic. That's the way it was. He created the anti-taint theology in the Moondancers. He had alot of enemies and the conflict with them did create a lot of disruption. None of that negates his high quality but it is part and parcel of the circumstances that surrounded him.
Unknown2007-09-05 12:12:54
No, that wasn't a jab at you. You just said during his time there was friction, didn't you? Which is true...
Your mention just reminded me when I was writing, because most times when he is brought up its because of that forest event, like I said. Apologies if you took it to be directed at you, it really wasn't.
Your mention just reminded me when I was writing, because most times when he is brought up its because of that forest event, like I said. Apologies if you took it to be directed at you, it really wasn't.
Yrael2007-09-05 12:22:37
No, the forest said that thanks to an illusion. It wasn't posted as an event, and there was someone in the room capable of illusioning. Who, escapes me.
Xenthos2007-09-05 13:48:29
QUOTE(Elostian @ Sep 5 2007, 04:46 AM) 438853
And in the midst of this all, has anyone noticed that it's just the core discussing now and that most people have left quite a while ago?
And thank you for admitting that I'm not a part of the core.
Shamarah2007-09-05 13:58:33
QUOTE(Sojiro @ Sep 4 2007, 11:14 PM) 438813
The usefulness of this thread ran out at about page 10. Let's just stop going in circles.
I agree.
Ainia2007-09-05 14:03:34
Oi! Now that all the chest thumping has been done and all the posts have been made what is the plan? Do the leaders of Glomdoring have an idea of the direction we are going to go in? Will this information be shared Ic’ly with the rest of the commune? With so many varying opinions concerning this and such limited time to make such important decisions I am just wondering what the game plan will be/if any.
Anisu2007-09-05 14:34:57
QUOTE(Ainia @ Sep 5 2007, 04:03 PM) 438901
Oi! Now that all the chest thumping has been done and all the posts have been made what is the plan? Do the leaders of Glomdoring have an idea of the direction we are going to go in? Will this information be shared Ic’ly with the rest of the commune? With so many varying opinions concerning this and such limited time to make such important decisions I am just wondering what the game plan will be/if any.
Part of what administration seems to be asking is for the old leaders to take a step back both in the fields of mechanics and social structure. Call it a banishments from politics if you will. Which means that the phrase "There is no leader" that a bug gave us so many times is quite accurate for Glomdoring right now.
New leaders need to step up, leaders that are not of the same mind as the old ones, ones that are not intimidated by the old ones, and most importantly leaders that make people feel at home in their org even if they do not agree with eachoter.
Thus the initiative lies with the non leaders, so your question should of been "Do the members of the commune have an idea of what direction to take'
Or atleast that is what I make up from this topic and that log.
Elostian2007-09-05 14:49:15
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Sep 5 2007, 02:48 PM) 438898
And thank you for admitting that I'm not a part of the core.
I was refering to the core of people that are still posting, rather than the core of Glomdoring. However, I have to admit that you indeed are not part of that.
Daganev2007-09-05 15:03:20
QUOTE(Avaer @ Sep 4 2007, 09:37 PM) 438828
Dag, I think you should anticipate that as a high-profile member of Glomdoring, you're going to be considered representative of anything other people don't like about it. No matter how much good you've done, or how little you've realistically contributed to a problem, you're still the prominent one who can be called out.
It's the same thing that has happened to Merloch, who was a breathtakingly amazing leader during his tenure - I've never seen anyone surpass that level of RP and expert direction in shaping a community, although Ibaesha certainly came very close. Now what are the usual mentions of his name? People didn't like that he was involved in an event wherein the forest rejected liches (on its own cognizance, mind you), and he's given as an example of fanaticism and destructive influence, when in reality he is one of the ones most responsible for the long-term success of the Moondancer concept.
I wouldn't take it too personally, just explain exactly why you haven't contributed to these problems, and let it go. People will always form their own opinions.
From what I gather, if it helps, the main problems that have been pointed out are (from what I understand):
1) Leaders in Glomdoring don't try to reason with people who disagree, they ignore, harass, or banish them.
2) Political pressures are being taken into OOC media, and some people are using IM's, chatrooms and so on to influence other characters in what they are allowed to do.
I think the former is merely symptomatic of the RP environment that has developed in Glomdoring (yes, I'm talking RP again, so shoot me), and thus can be addressed by looking at the RP environment rather than political individuals. The latter is something I don't think can be dealt with at all IC, and it is foolish to try. Instead, issues and admin moderation will have to address it.
Just be calm, and do try to read carefully with an open mind. It can be frustrating arguing with you because you don't seem to actually listen to the main points of another person's comments, only pick little sentences and show how they don't fit your worldview. The hardest part of making a convincing argument is to try to understand where the other person is coming from, and then present facts or opinions from their side that might get them to reconsider. You can't stay in the same headspace and expect people not to just give up trying to reason with you - I think you often have good ideas and original points of view, you just haven't had much success in trying to convey them.
It's the same thing that has happened to Merloch, who was a breathtakingly amazing leader during his tenure - I've never seen anyone surpass that level of RP and expert direction in shaping a community, although Ibaesha certainly came very close. Now what are the usual mentions of his name? People didn't like that he was involved in an event wherein the forest rejected liches (on its own cognizance, mind you), and he's given as an example of fanaticism and destructive influence, when in reality he is one of the ones most responsible for the long-term success of the Moondancer concept.
I wouldn't take it too personally, just explain exactly why you haven't contributed to these problems, and let it go. People will always form their own opinions.
From what I gather, if it helps, the main problems that have been pointed out are (from what I understand):
1) Leaders in Glomdoring don't try to reason with people who disagree, they ignore, harass, or banish them.
2) Political pressures are being taken into OOC media, and some people are using IM's, chatrooms and so on to influence other characters in what they are allowed to do.
I think the former is merely symptomatic of the RP environment that has developed in Glomdoring (yes, I'm talking RP again, so shoot me), and thus can be addressed by looking at the RP environment rather than political individuals. The latter is something I don't think can be dealt with at all IC, and it is foolish to try. Instead, issues and admin moderation will have to address it.
Just be calm, and do try to read carefully with an open mind. It can be frustrating arguing with you because you don't seem to actually listen to the main points of another person's comments, only pick little sentences and show how they don't fit your worldview. The hardest part of making a convincing argument is to try to understand where the other person is coming from, and then present facts or opinions from their side that might get them to reconsider. You can't stay in the same headspace and expect people not to just give up trying to reason with you - I think you often have good ideas and original points of view, you just haven't had much success in trying to convey them.
Good points. Merloch is indeed a perfect example.
I guess I'll just wait an OOC month to bring up the issues that I'm concerned about, since they are long term issues, not issues that are going to affect the next month at all.
Ainia2007-09-05 15:12:47
This is all very new to me. I happen to be one of the true non alt players in Glomdoring that sincerely would like to see the commune thrive not just exist.
I don’t have all the answers to this pending problem and I won’t pretend to. However, the last time Ainia was in game Rowena came on the commune channel and asked a series of questions about the darkness and Shadows - and what it all might mean - not only to those of the commune but to others. While only a few people felt the need to engage in the conversation I learned more about the beliefs of Glomdoring then I have in reading all the scrolls and trying to talk to players as I sit at the Tree. I don’t know but just maybe more interaction like that might be a start and make a difference with true newbies. It was engaging and informative and made me want to know more.
When new players are engaged they hang around they become part of the structure.
For Ainia, Glomdoring is dark but not in a good way. It seems to me that Magnagora works in its evil because it pertains to all those that are not of Magnagora, so there is still a shared camaraderie among members. Glomdoring needs to embrace that and understand that our brand of darkness should in no way ostracize commune members.
This forum may be of an Occ nature, but gosh we need to really apply the teachings of Glomdoring and RP false memory and get on with the business of making our commune strong and viable.
In regards to replacing old leadership with new leadership-
Perhaps a mixture of both would be the best way to go from this point. We cannot simply throw away old leadership there has to be an open and complete partnership with old and new. Older players have the advantage of history and that is important. New leadership has the advantage of fresh ways to spread that history to the every changing and hopefully growing population of the commune.
I don’t have all the answers to this pending problem and I won’t pretend to. However, the last time Ainia was in game Rowena came on the commune channel and asked a series of questions about the darkness and Shadows - and what it all might mean - not only to those of the commune but to others. While only a few people felt the need to engage in the conversation I learned more about the beliefs of Glomdoring then I have in reading all the scrolls and trying to talk to players as I sit at the Tree. I don’t know but just maybe more interaction like that might be a start and make a difference with true newbies. It was engaging and informative and made me want to know more.
When new players are engaged they hang around they become part of the structure.
For Ainia, Glomdoring is dark but not in a good way. It seems to me that Magnagora works in its evil because it pertains to all those that are not of Magnagora, so there is still a shared camaraderie among members. Glomdoring needs to embrace that and understand that our brand of darkness should in no way ostracize commune members.
This forum may be of an Occ nature, but gosh we need to really apply the teachings of Glomdoring and RP false memory and get on with the business of making our commune strong and viable.
In regards to replacing old leadership with new leadership-
Perhaps a mixture of both would be the best way to go from this point. We cannot simply throw away old leadership there has to be an open and complete partnership with old and new. Older players have the advantage of history and that is important. New leadership has the advantage of fresh ways to spread that history to the every changing and hopefully growing population of the commune.
Daganev2007-09-05 15:16:17
QUOTE(Estarra @ Sep 4 2007, 08:27 PM) 438818
I'm not sure what backstabbing and deceit in the literature you are talking about as you haven't provided any examples, but the idea of having a player org encourage its own members practicing and honing such skills against each other does not sound like a way to make such an org a fun place for many people. Thus, I would strongly encourage a reformation against such a philosophy and will certainly support any needed changes to accomplish that.
Ok From the website:
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these dark woods have been home only to twisted monstrosities and sinister, scheming individuals.
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The fae, however, are resistant to the Almighty Presence, and we travel through the rent in the earth that once was the Great Ravenwood, and pass into the ethereal realm, claiming all that the Almighty touches. As I squeeze the essence from the pixies and willowisps, from the sylphs and wood nymphs, and feed my ravenous Master, I cannot help but feel bemused that once I protected these weak and pathetic beings. They cry at me, “D’or glom! D’or glom!†That means “have mercy upon us†in the tongue of the fae. I answer back, “F’ai glomdoring!†That means “I have no mercy.â€
Soon all will be under the Presence. And I? I shall be a Queen in this new order. All shall bow and serve me--for am I not as beautiful as I am terrible? Am I not as powerful as I am glorious? Am I not Rowena Darkshade, Mistress of All She Surveys! I will spread a twisted forest that will choke the Basin of Life. It will be called the Glomdoring Forest -- the Forest without Mercy!
Enough prattling in this diary. The time for weakness is over. Let the forests fall under the sway of Mother Night and Crow, newly born into something greater than they were. I too am remade and I shall go forth and all who see my beauty will love me or be destroyed. But who could not love me? My beauty is now beyond compare.
These are things that can inspire new players. (and to be honest I think Shayle pulls off this character perfectly, even if that is not her intention)
When I have a chance to log in, I'll show you the IG texts I'm refering to as well.
Unknown2007-09-05 15:33:09
QUOTE(Avaer @ Sep 5 2007, 08:12 AM) 438871
No, that wasn't a jab at you. You just said during his time there was friction, didn't you? Which is true...
Your mention just reminded me when I was writing, because most times when he is brought up its because of that forest event, like I said. Apologies if you took it to be directed at you, it really wasn't.
Your mention just reminded me when I was writing, because most times when he is brought up its because of that forest event, like I said. Apologies if you took it to be directed at you, it really wasn't.
My apologies are doubled then. I just in no way wanted to be associated with any slight against Merloch. He was and will remain the best of the best in my opinion.
Kaervas2007-09-05 15:35:44
You can keep pointing at IC stuff to get your point across as much as you want, even though none of it actually condones or really says anything about scheming against people of your own commune. From what I've heard you say so far you seem more concerned with being able to RP exactly the way you want regardless of the consequences to other people, I mean you've even said that Glomdoring losing newbies could be a "good thing" because it would improve RP. Your whole argument appears to revolve around exactly what you want and how you think things should be. You don't seem to care that Glomdoring could close to newbies and seem utterly oblivious to there being a problem at all.
It's not about what you want, it's not about what I want, it's about the greater good of Glomdoring and its overall health- health which has been sorely lacking due to this scheming, secrecy etc that you seem to enjoy bringing up constantly. That as well as this fairly common attitude that it's only the opinion of one person or minute few people that matters rather than bothering to take the bigger picture into account.
It's not about what you want, it's not about what I want, it's about the greater good of Glomdoring and its overall health- health which has been sorely lacking due to this scheming, secrecy etc that you seem to enjoy bringing up constantly. That as well as this fairly common attitude that it's only the opinion of one person or minute few people that matters rather than bothering to take the bigger picture into account.
Unknown2007-09-05 15:38:38
Ok. Does anyone think that Glom's enforced power restrictions may be an issue?
Kaervas2007-09-05 15:42:49
QUOTE(TheBoogieMan @ Sep 5 2007, 04:38 PM) 438919
Ok. Does anyone think that Glom's enforced power restrictions may be an issue?
I'm not sure how it compares to other org's power laws so I can't really say. I don't think any harm could come from relaxing the power laws, we do have the most power out of all the orgs after all.
Shiri2007-09-05 15:46:23
I'm sure power laws have a whole nothing to do with it. I'm not convinced that Glomdoring's power laws are laxer than anyone else's as some people like to claim, but I remember Magnagora having some pretty lethal power laws back in the day and doing well enough for itself.
Unknown2007-09-05 15:49:54
QUOTE(Kaervas @ Sep 5 2007, 11:42 AM) 438921
I'm not sure how it compares to other org's power laws so I can't really say. I don't think any harm could come from relaxing the power laws, we do have the most power out of all the orgs after all.
That's what I was wondering. I don't think it really does influence anything but I don't think it could hurt.
Krellan2007-09-05 16:01:22
as far as I know, most of mag is kept on powerblock and requires permission to draw. they get unblocked to draw and reblocked. the people on their legion clan I think are responsible for their own drawing with their respective allotments. In Seren, all novices are unblocked, and everyone gets lot to draw. It's based on CR with lowest ranks getting 20% reserves a weave. People often overdraw whether necessary or not and don't really get powerblocked at all.
