Not that they would even if they were allowed. ("The envoy process is for skill issues only.")

It would be a good change anyway, though, since the Divine have been awesome about actually taking and implementing suggestions from the forums lately.

GR Title Count Pct
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COL student in the Collegium 23 --
NOV guild novice 47 --
1 208 70%
2 26 8%
3 11 3%
4 11 3%
5 18 6%
6 2 0%
7 4 1%
8 3 1%
9 2 0%
10 2 0%
11 0 0%
12 0 0%
13 0 0%
14 0 0%
15 0 0%
16 0 0%
17 0 0%
18 0 0%
19 7 2%
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294 full non-leader members in the guild. Average rank: 2.


It's only so accurate of a percentage because in no way shape or form are these even close to the active numbers for GR1s, and even though I would really like to boot them ... the higher ranks are devoid of life until you get to the ex-leaders.

GR2 seems to be the hurdle for BT folk. (I can't describe to you how ineffably easy the Blackthorn Assembly is. Go talk to people. Find a cute passage, then recite this book with the cute passage in it with one of your friends. Read GHELP DOCET and HELP VIRAVAIN thoroughly enough that you know which headline the answer you're looking for is under, and bring a friend along--the friend will even help cover for you. Learn to navigate the forest. Nothing outside of it, mind you. Just the forest. And if any of this is too hard for you, you get to pick one task to drop. If you care at all, you're at least a Rowan, and Rowan's a no-brainer for any alt and Lusty 101 for any newbie.) I would not at all mind GR2 being the voting rank. I would mind it being GR1. That's just open for abuse.

Getting GR4 is fairly easy so long as you have a working knowledge of the prime plane and very easy if you have a curing system. The hard part is if you play in off peak times. I managed it and completely avoided the liturgy while doing so. What would be useful is a path taking you to at least to to GR10 if not farther.

Nests! JOIN ONE!



(By the way, who's this?)

There are no nests. Ghelp Nests no longer exists and Ghelp Heirarchy looks a bit dated. Yeralih asked me for some of my ideas and I've been working on them. I need to put them in a letter and send it to her.

So, the ham question is, is this what happened in Glomdoring?

Is the leadership and favoured ones so stagnant and entrenched that uprooting them is nigh impossible and none of the new people rise to positions of any influence merely by the fact that they do not meet the requirements of the system? (whatever those may be)

Yes and no. Some of them have been uprooted and others have not. Some feel that the replacements aren't true replacements because they still exist as part of a clique.

Or no one is willing to do it. One person who wanted to see a change mentioned to me that there is a whole group embedded in leadership positions and people are interested in seeing new leaders but while the current leaders have whole established groups or "cliques" (I don't like that term being applied here), the dissenters and quiet and scattered.

Also, some people want new leaders but aren't willing to do it themselves and so want others to step up and do things for them.

I'm still waiting for evidence that something is happening in Glomdoring. It's a grand assertion that's gone woefully neglected, especially for one who prides himself on logic and learning.

Anyways, no. The system is not abusive. The system is gentler than those in either of the cities.

Read the commune log, look at people who are leaving, have left, or are planning to leave. Go to the meeting with Estarra.

The outflux of established people correlates suspiciously with our new Marshall.

Why'd you go? Just curious.

(Didn't read most of the thread.)

It's called a clan. Instead of begging an administration already burdened with many development tasks, just Bloody Well Do It Yourself. I did it for a while (Granted, with an extremist administration-turned-corrupt-secret-society-for-world-domination) and so did other people. Anyone can do it. You want to see political parties in your organisation? FOUND ONE. Parties in real life didn't start out when everyone in a society decided, "We shall now have political parties!" They started usually as social clubs for like-minded individuals with an increasingly political bent.

As an outsider to whatever cliques exist I have as of yet not suffered any negative consequences of them. In fact I have been my greetings by elders has been mostly warm. This may be because I honestly profess no desire to involve myself in politics. My joy in the game comes form the setting and the history and trying to influence it through group efforts. However, I must profess that they have to exist and have negative consequences just because of the vitriol I see expressed by some persons towards others.

I fully agree with your assessment of the situation, and it's dangers, I came to a similar conclusion myself some time ago. I've experienced such systems in the past (including the probation system) I've also been in the position as a guild official in various games where I've had to carefully weight both sides of the issue, and curb my actions because it just wouldn't be beneficial to do what I wanted and felt was right... if that made any sense. Some I've argued with from glom on these forums would(and have in the past) countered that as watering down my RP or stepping over an ic/occ line however.

It's a very slippy slope, and not one I'll claim to know how to fix, the only temporary solution is to have completely fair and honest leaders who realize what can happen, and struggle against actions that would lead to it on a daily basis.

Also stepping back to much as an official can let others do just what you're trying to prevent, because you're not seen to be 'improving' the guild systems enough.

I was planning to leave before Veyda was elected, as were a few of the other people who left. My reasons had nothing to do with him. Being on the Court was annoyingly stressful, as was dealing with the many and varied factions involved in Glomdoring politics. As I was no longer having any fun being an impotent council member and I had contributed everything to the Harbingers that I could, I decided to just leave and find something more fun to do.

And this is what I don't get. Most of the people who left recently were politicians, and they complain about the politics, and I'll concede that in a heartbeat. Glom politics are canned sorrow and heartache. If you weren't emo when you joined, time on the Court will turn you emo. There's all this emphasis on the situation for the little people, though. Our novice requirements are relatively low, considering the Lusty status quo. Our population isn't horrible unless you play strictly off-peak (in which case, it is). We have fewer novices stepping out of the Portal for us, for whatever reason. Maybe it's the air surrounding Glomdoring that says it's harsh and forbidding, but that doesn't say anything about the real newbies, real transfers into our game from the great beyond. Maybe we have fewer main characters simply because we all underestimated how few people want to spend the credits to move and we really haven't had much new blood since the game was new. I can't answer all of the maybes, and maybe some of those can't be fixed, but we at least need to be clear about what's wrong.

I certainly never experienced this myself but I have had people mention to me that if you don't fit the Glomdoring status quo as a new person, you're either set down so hard you don't want to play anymore, or you're driven off.

Anybody who has ever shown any interest in leadership, I have tried to bring into my "clique."

Regardless of who the person was, or if I ever met them before.

Should I have instead been ignoring those people and purposefully been trying to dissagree with them?

Thats not very accurate.

Parties exist in Governments because the laws of the various senate type organzations demand that "a party" exist.


If the election system is not set up for parties to have seats or meaning, then parties don't really form, just "cliques"