Unknown2007-09-10 21:47:03
QUOTE(Creslin @ Sep 10 2007, 04:20 PM) 440447
That was what Creslin argued to Exeryte IG, though it got him absolutely no where except being told how he should behave by yet another forestal. Nearly all my conversations with forestals IG turn into them telling me how I should act, somehow..another reason I dislike them IG. And I don't remember going into Glom territory, though I was mostly just along for the ride following the rest to get back at Revan for killing me in the harmony challenge, and the killing was fun. The only time I kill otherwise is when defending if enemies enter Celest territory and I'm usually rounding up people who aren't fighters to do it, and the rare real raid that happens when I'm around. It's nice fighting beside people who actually know what they're doing, so I can concentrate on my fighting and not keeping them alive or together.
That, and Creslin is still sore for being attacked with the intent of being killed (I got away only by not trusting Glomdoring to begin with and running as soon as hexes were dropped) by a glomdoring person and told by their leader that it was too bad, a loophole in the treaty, and I'd just have to get over it. I argued that to Exeryte, too, IC, and got the same too bad response. So the jumping by Revan, previous attack on me by random glomdoring-er with nothing done combined with the Gods removing the harm from death so the basin could be a big arena for the death challenege was my reason for joining them.
And as painful as it usually is to try to talk to Glomdoring officials and get anywhere, I tried handling it IC with my reasoning, and had nothing to do with the Glomdoring enemying, though that actually accomplished a whole lot more than my attempts at reason and talking with them.
edit: I know some people claim Celest is a big bully forcing the communes under some sort of empirical control and they have the short end of the stick, but from an IC perspective, in all my experience with them every attempt at my discussing things for resolution tend to go the way of this event. I'm either ignored, belittled or called a fae-stealer. Now, some people aren't patient and eventually the issue is forced in some way (like the enemying) and then it gets resolved. So, IC I've pretty much had to decide that both communes are too proud to actually discuss anything and reach agreement rationally, and have to be met with force to get anything done. It's not something I came up with overnight, either, but the result of many interactions with both communes. *shrug*
That, and Creslin is still sore for being attacked with the intent of being killed (I got away only by not trusting Glomdoring to begin with and running as soon as hexes were dropped) by a glomdoring person and told by their leader that it was too bad, a loophole in the treaty, and I'd just have to get over it. I argued that to Exeryte, too, IC, and got the same too bad response. So the jumping by Revan, previous attack on me by random glomdoring-er with nothing done combined with the Gods removing the harm from death so the basin could be a big arena for the death challenege was my reason for joining them.
And as painful as it usually is to try to talk to Glomdoring officials and get anywhere, I tried handling it IC with my reasoning, and had nothing to do with the Glomdoring enemying, though that actually accomplished a whole lot more than my attempts at reason and talking with them.
edit: I know some people claim Celest is a big bully forcing the communes under some sort of empirical control and they have the short end of the stick, but from an IC perspective, in all my experience with them every attempt at my discussing things for resolution tend to go the way of this event. I'm either ignored, belittled or called a fae-stealer. Now, some people aren't patient and eventually the issue is forced in some way (like the enemying) and then it gets resolved. So, IC I've pretty much had to decide that both communes are too proud to actually discuss anything and reach agreement rationally, and have to be met with force to get anything done. It's not something I came up with overnight, either, but the result of many interactions with both communes. *shrug*
You would be mistaken. Celest is the big bully right now, but they haven't always been. Not everyone in the communes is going to shut you down constantly, but they will follow their RP and probably won't listen to you just because you have good logic - remember our characters aren't always swayed by logic just because our players are. Also, why did you stop with Exeryte? Talk to Geran and see how things go. And the enemy status could make sense ICly, depending on how they decide to play it. You may stay an enemy, which is reasonable depending on how they play it.
Creslin2007-09-10 21:58:44
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM) 440460
You would be mistaken. Celest is the big bully right now, but they haven't always been. Not everyone in the communes is going to shut you down constantly, but they will follow their RP and probably won't listen to you just because you have good logic - remember our characters aren't always swayed by logic just because our players are. Also, why did you stop with Exeryte? Talk to Geran and see how things go. And the enemy status could make sense ICly, depending on how they decide to play it. You may stay an enemy, which is reasonable depending on how they play it.
I couldn't see Geran at the time with window, so I assumed he wasn't there, leaving only Exeryte. I stopped trying with him shortly after it reached the explaining to me how I should act stage. (I wasn't going to argue with the Shadowdancers enemying, as I realized later that it might really be warranted and I was just going to talk to them later and if necessary pay whatever fine they wanted.) But, before I saw Geran, Celest had enemied everyone and then it was resolved, so there was no point.
And yes, I know we do bully. I was explaining why I would be willing to do so, if it comes to my supporting it IG. It's not just 'because we can' but rather 'because we can and I have no reason to think they'd listen to reason anyway from all experiences.' Just as I didn't make any public objection to the enemying, as it would likely resolve the situation where my attempts at talking so far had done nothing.
edit: And if it doesn't have to do with the Light's doctrine, which is not debatable with anyone not of the Celestines and not always reasonable, I try to be open to reason, as before being Ecclesiarch, I was a follower of Japhiel. I'm always open to talking reasonably with the communes, or even Magnagorans, and have or tried to in the past. I actually had more luck with Magnagora than either commune, though they did try to force-taint me at the end.