Stealing from Athana is what pisses me off.

I mean, its her shop.

agreed

That's how I feel.

Stealing is bad, but I gotta say that Ixion had it coming. Lusty wouldn't suffer any extreme losses if he decided to leave.

Oh yeah, there's a few Gloms and Celestians that the game won't suffer from either if they leave.. can I make them leave please?

aesyra no ones made him leave, and though i think its bad that someone feels they have to leave its his decision, when you store something in a stock room you have taken the risk that it will be stolen. and if you play the kind of character that ixion is you cant really expect any ic remorse or care...especially when you have carried out similar actions...

Firstly I don't believe in he did it, so its alright to do it back to him. Hell so many of our problems would never exist if we learnt restrain. Secondly, the problem is that its Athana that is suffering, as its her shop that is stolen from I believe.

It's actually the shop of the city's cooking cartel, but the trademaster is the one that runs it

if that was referring to me, i dont believe in that either, i dislike stealing its not justified, but really he cant complain

Of course it's his decision. I just don't believe in doing stuff to people that you -know- is cheap / crap for the sole purpose of making him leave. Why do you think Amaru stole from the shop? Surely not because he really -needed- some quick cash. He did it solemnly to be a dick. That's the kind of behaviour I really dislike.



That's kind of the point I tried to make too...

How exactly does a Celestine get into a stockoom if it has a monolith in it?

The correct responses are either, Magic, or a wizard did it.

This thread is an interesting experiment in forum RP. I would encourage everyone to review the responses here, and then investigate how the same people responded when Magnagorans stole from a Celestian aethershop during a weakening. It is interesting to me that some people respond so drastically differently when it is "the enemy" who was robbed.

Stealing can be entertaining - Yrael is a perfect example of this. He doesn't steal to be a :censored: - I'd say his thievery adds something to the game. Stealing just for the sake of irritating people or driving them from the game is takes away from the game. I would suggest people who do this should be griefed until they see the error of their ways.

That said, there are ways to handle this ICly, as has already been pointed out. This thread is great for ranting and getting it out of your system, but it's not going to solve anything. Go IC, complain to his GM, do something fun. Of course, he'll just quit playing and switch to causing trouble on his alt for awhile instead, but at least you can have the fun of the IC resolution instead of ripping your hair out. If you can build on it ICly and do something fun with it, do it - this thread won't get anyone anywhere.

If you actually read the posts from those few Celestians who commented in both of the threads you would notice no discrepency in the stance. The point of the posts is Ixion is being a complete hypocrite, not that the theft is okay. And of course the sheer irony of the situation.

For my part I don't steal and I don't like theft. However I have come to accept that expecting other players to censure their peers for theft in order to keep it under control or out of the game altogether is just a completely unreasonable expectation.

So on an OOC level, what is there to do? No one can seriously expect Celestian players to put pressure on Amaru (as has happened in these situations in the past) to return the stolen goods given the repeated thefts of Celestians and the "Oh well" attitude exhibited by the players in a position to do something about it before. (Though some might do so anyway simply from the goodness of their heart) They're only human and turning the other cheek can only go so far before you break your own neck. Theft clearly does not bother these players to any real extent or they would have done something about it. So why should we as players get worked up over it? We've all learned the lesson that theft is going to happen and about the most you can do as a player is not contribute to it by being a thief yourself and doing whatever you can to help make sure people know how to prevent theft.

Do I wish things were different? I certainly do. However, I personally am not going to waste any more time or emotion being frustrated about this state of affairs. It is how it is and unless all of the people who in this thread are saying how bad they feel theft is and "poor Athana" are planning on actually taking a stand in terms of doing their part to stop this sort of thing from happening, it's only so much hot air. We all know that's not going to happen though.

If you don't want things stolen, throw an artifact on it!

Well maybe a very few differ, but most of the responses are still that massive theft of personal, sentimental items are really frowned upon.

I also do feel bad for Athana, since it was her shop. People need to get past their hatred of Ixion, and look at whose shop was actually robbed.

If Athana had posted I imagine the responses would have been quite different since Athana is not a thief. Thankfully her items were returned.

The public post from Amaru is one of the best posts I've read in a while, I must admit.

yes, well played amaru

Excellent post from the Celestian viewpoint, except for the blatant lies in the third paragraph. There's a laundry list of errors in details.

Anyhow, we'll see how it turns out.

At the very least, it has brought the situation from OOC griefage into IC manipulation. It still wouldn't make me happy if I were in your shoes, but it definitely made things more interesting to observe.