To test some various scenarios, I changed the analysis, and noted that changing the cost to 0 would still mean 5 months to recoup your investment. I think that 2 days at 200gp to sell 100 refills is actually a very generous assumption, and that it's more likely to sell out slower at 200. I hear that Aesyra's shop in Seren has the cheapest health refills, at roughly 190, and she says that she sells a keg every 2 days. I think it's actually likely to take more than 2 days at the higher price, but I think even if we say 2 days.



I understand this analysis, but I'm not quite sure how it can relate to mine. If I own a shop, I'm paid in gold. If I buy a keg rune (or any item, artifact or not, to assist with selling things in the shop), I really want to consider how long it will take me to recover the losses caused by that initial purchase. For example, if I spent 1,500,000 gold on jewelry to stock my shop, then I really wouldn't be making a profit until I made at least 1,500,000 gold. For this matter, I can't really include gold from bashing as profit from my shop. Let me try to lay out exactly what I envision happening as a shop owner. I have 300 credits right now, and I purchase a level 3 keg rune. It doesn't really matter how much it cost me to get those 300 credits, because, in the end, I plan to get them back by buying them on the credit market. Right now, I think that 5000 is a reasonable price to pay per credit. I think that in the future, the price will creep up, so if anything, it's undercutting the credit market, and legitimately could take even longer to recoup my losses, but let's ignore that for now. Assuming that the market stays at 5000 gold per credit, then I will need to make 1,500,000 gold to recover the investment of 300 credits. (Again, it doesn't matter how I came by the 300 credits, because credits are credits, whether I buy them out of game, or buy them in game. It's just like gold is gold whether gotten from bashing, questing or influencing.)

Whenever I calculate credit prices, I do 4K or 4.5K because if you are patient you can always get them for that price.

Those gloves have paid for themselves ten times over already. Every herbalist should have a pair.

Runed kegs have the value of convenience: you never have to buy one again. This was the only reason I ever got the jewel vials when I was a mortal on Achaea. I didn't care if I recouped cost of not. I just liked not having to buy vials again and never having all my elixirs disappear overnight becuse my vials decayed when I didn't expect it. Some people didn't find that convenience worth it and did not buy the vials. Everyone places different value on intangibles. It's totally subjective. If you personally don't think the value in gold saving plus the convenience are worth the cost then don't buy them. The value on that will be different for everyone.

The argument is about the worth to shopkeepers. I never had to by unruned kegs as a shopkeeper because they don't decay in the stock room.

Which points up another factor: even if these runes were of no value to the shopkeeper, so what? Who says they ought to be? They only have to be useful in one situation, not every situation.

(emphasis mine)

That is why I started buying artifact vials!



As a shopkeeper I would say that rune is actually worth the credits, if I compare it to for example the ledger that costs 350 credits, or the tailor shears, then this rune is a lot more profitable.

heck I am even considering trading in my cubix to get a few. (the cubix honoustly has lost most of it's advantages for me because of UV)

I think the cubix should have an exit into undervault, but still not be able to be used indoors.

The cubix has an exit that takes you like three rooms away from UV. kthxbai?

I think the enchantment cube runes seem more worthwhile than the keg runes, though. I'm definitely going to get me one of those.

well it is just useless for me because I do not really hunt astral, if I still did it would be useful, although with the changes where you always cubix to the ground floor and with the constructs providing access for bards and knights to the higher planes I nolonger see it as worth 2000 credits, more a 1200 credits now.

I personally think you should be able to cubix in the UV but with a teleport nexus delay, and exits to some of the undervault hives and to the prison, then I would pay 2000 credits for the artifact again.

but i am also greedy

Three exits from the Celestian side entrance, which seems to be infected with lighties when I go that way is not UV. But like Anisu said, I meant actual UV exits, not prime somewhere close to UV. Somewhere close is not what I would pay 2000 credits for.

Go down from Prime and have an exit to the Prison and the 5 Hives, one for the Sea of Kephera, one for the Adorath Sea Area, and somewhere else would give you a n,s,e,w,ne,nw,sw,se exits all right there. It is on prime, and actually if it was down from prime it would give prism owners a little something too.

And yea prolonged teleport time would be nice for one too, damnit Anisu, why are we on this agreement spree!!!

I personally have a pyramid, which makes things easy in UV, I set at least one place in UV and one somewhere on prime. and with my little teleport ring (i think it helps, haven't tested without it) I get around down there quick enough. But as far as a 2000 credit artie goes, I do think it needs some UV exits. As of now, those free amulet/seal things that people won the beginning of the year have more exits than a 2000 credit cubix.

"Celestian side entrance"?

You're aware that a cubix only works outdoors and all of the UV is indoors? IE even -if- you had exits to all hives + prison, you could only use one then find another way out. Your quick cubix teleporting between places in the UV is not going to happen either way.

EDIT: And don't bring up the seals again. I still find it was a genius idea to make them into cubixe after everyone bitched about -one- perma karma blessing on nine or so people total. Most of those blessings are kinda useless too... amusing really.

/shameless necro + hijack

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